Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Mart Price Tracker

1224225227229230341

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    I only read this earlier today and i was that pissed off at the comment i'm going to reply 5 days later.

    €850-€880 may be "Plenty for them" in your eyes, my view is it is'nt half enough for them, you'd swear they grow on trees and all that has to be done is pick them and land them in a mart for you to buy.

    The primary producer should be entitled to the primary profit margin, everyone else up the line is making a living off the poor **** up to his bollocks in shite at 3 in the morning, he does 95% of the work and gets 0% of the profit.

    End of rant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    Poor oul bass, you really do get it in the neck on here sometimes for stating the truth, as you believe it to be.

    Lads arguing over figures on here & elsewhere is B S as we all get by some how with figures unique to ourselves & probably not that dissimilar to the next lad.

    Threads get way side tracked with such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    I explained in my second post above why they were only worth that. If you are in suckler's you have to accept you are in competition with dairy beef. The poster that put 500 with there weigh on them was talking about R grade CH and LM.

    Even at a 200 euro difference in yearling prices these cattle need to hang 40kg DW heavier than HE&AA cattle to make up that difference.

    Suckler bred cattle complete against dairyX beef, the costs related to Suckler cattle means that the margin for a primary producer is virtually non existent.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Your are forgetting that suckler guys have the facilities to finish there own stock too. Just cut cow numbers and finish all on farm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    What would be best for the suckler farmer

    Sell as weanlings @ €1000+, kill as U16m bulls or U24/30m as steers /heifers

    Sadly lots wouldn’t have the land type to finish off grass



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Be has that option but he has 2-3 systems then in place. A suckler system, a store and then a finishing system. He has heifers and bullocks as well. He cod end up with 3-5 bunches that of cattle. As well this transfers into different groups for wintering.

    Bull beef might seem attractive, however grain prices is continuing to eat into its margins. It's hard to find economies of scale in most small and even midsized Suckler systems.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I do a mix of beef farming. I have a predominantly lmx suckler herd. I rear 20 dairy calves and then I would buy in stores from 12 - 20 months. I sell beef cattle to two factories (certain type of cattle seem to do better in different factories) and would also sell some of the suckler bred bullocks at 24 months in the mart & the heifers at about 16 months also in the mart.

    I find the following:

    My heifers usually sell for breding and are probably the most profitable animals I sell. My suckler bred bullocks, I have the most options with, I can mart them or factory them, depending on where I feel I would do best. There is a good northern trade around here & they seem to have no problem giving giving top money for anything better than an R+ grade bullock in the 650kg - 700kg bracket.

    My dairy feed stock can only go 1 road and that is to the factory (Fr, Shx & AAx Kepak, anything else Liffey) if I want the best return, that ties my hands slightly. All good in good year, but if things are poor they are the ones that get the kicking. Plus generally I would buy lads in to pal the lads I reared at less than what cost me to rear them, the only issue with buying in cattle is you also buy in their problems like TB, pneumonia ect plus bad temperament. If you know & manage your costs you know which is leaving the best return. @ November 1st any year my dairy reared calves are costing me around €430 - €450 of direct costs. My suckler cow for the year is costing me around €500, key to keeping this figure down is to be very sharp with your cows, cows need to produce milk so at weaning calves are 350kgs plus, I calf in March & April generally, I don't carry empty cows, if a cow loses a calf she is culled & replaced at the cull price or less. I don't keep a bull & I try to select AI bulls to get the best out of a cow. If I was to increase my herd size my 20% it would be totally on the suckler side as I know I would get a better return on that than if I done the same on the dairy beef side.

    My farm is fragmented, but is good dry land, cattle wouldn't be housed until mid -late November are now back out to grass. I aslo know that wouldn't be the situation in other parts of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭MeheeHohee


    Sold 2 bull weinlings in Gortatlea, big mart, was after midnight by the time they sold, both 8 months old, an average CHX 355kg 930, a stylish LMX 420kg 1130. Would have though they would have at least made €3/kg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭tellmeabit



    I was planning on taking a few heavy lada but held off after hearing how many were being sold.

    Sometimes find that the special unless you have a right one can be hit and miss.

    Tuned in a few times prices seemed to go up and down

    Best prices for the 500 kg animals around 12 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I buy all my continental stock from Gortatlea and I’d always buy some at the special sales. The U+ and E grades always make mad money but the U- and U= type stock are always got for value on them nights as the customers them nights normally look for the cream of the crop.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    you'd wonder why lads took heifers there last night, they'd be well wrecked givin the hour they were sold at

    Castleisland was on late enough too yesterday, anything light for age was back a bit in my eyes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Ya thats my reading of it too. I will say that the lads I have to go are probably the best at this age that I've managed to get to and may have done well last night but too long a day for beast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Di

    Did you notice any Ch cows there, maybe 650 kg?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    They were back last night, I don't find the big sales good at times, plenty of cattle for the buyers, I did sell 2 the week before 370 for 1260, now they were nice tbf, 2 weeks ago they were on fire there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    only saw the suckler clearance sale and then the heifers,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Heard a few say that over the years. The couple we had while milking were grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    Friday is the day for cull cows there. Had a few there yesterday myself. If she's a plain ch cow yesterday you were talking 1300-1500, abit of shape with abit of flesh between 1500-1900. Seen 1 cow go to 2500.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,286 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Just had a well fleshed LM cow, close to U grade weight 800 and make 2320. Would she have made 2100 in the factory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Surprisingly great prices for culls at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭older by the day


    A neighbor asked last night, he has Fresian cows nearly finished let's say 700kg, he wanted to know mart or factory?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Consensus around the North East here, is young stock to factory, and culls to mart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭High bike


    Mart all day long let the factories fight for em at the mart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭tanko


    Not a hope, i’d say the factory wouldn’t have given you two grand for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,286 ✭✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,286 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    So sold 5 today that we normally wouldnt have with an eye to grass for rest of year.


    12 year old LM cow as above. 800kg and made 2320. Our best cow but lost her calf this year so not a year for passengers. Not a lot of feed eaten. Maybe 600kg.


    LM heifer, 32 months. Weighted 660 and made 1800. Also lost calf. Less than 200kg feed eaten I would say. Not for the want of trying. She has no interest in ration, nuts, or calf museli. Never really had.


    LM bullock. 22 months old. Very stylish. Weighed 540 and made 1530. Great price. He was a big animal and will take a lot of feed to finish.


    LMX heifer from a short horn cow. 2yr old. 535. Small but close to finish. Made 1270 and a little disappointed as thought she might push 1400.


    Chx heifer from short horn. 22months. 475 kg and made 1190. Not happy with weight but happy enough with price against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    The lad bringing a reactor cow from my place yesterday was saying, the big factory buyers are all sitting at home watching 3-4 marts at a time buying away at cattle, no having to stand back to let one another have their share. It now a matter of buying as many as the can in each mart. They ring the mart manager to get an idea of the suitable numbers in the mart and roughly what time they will be in at. I happened to mention that I hadn't seen a lad (he hacks for) in Carnaross recently, was told he hasn't set foot in it since it went on line but ever Monday he's has on average 30 bullocks out of it and similar numbers of cows & heifers on a Thursday. Cull cows are on fire in the marts at the minute.. big North of Ireland demand around here for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Seen that in the mart two weeks ago with two lads at the ring on the phone in two other marts buying, when we are buying heifers up the country we have lads in the mart marking the lots to bid on to suit and just send the lorry to collect and pay on line.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    It's the same everywhere you go since the online bidding got going. There's lad's buying stock out of marts weekly that they haven't physically set foot in for months.

    There's a few lad's that would ring me at work to pick out suitable lots for them and they then bid on-line at there own convenience. I don't know if I'd be confident enough buying online without someone visually inspecting the stock in the flesh first but there's lot's of lad's buying solely off the camera. Some lad's have a serious eye for the camera though, there's a man I'd be friendly with and he'd know more about who bought what in the evening off the camera than a man standing ringside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭k mac


    Sold nice lim heifers in the mart last week average 485 kgs average price 1255 bit disappointed would have hoped for about 100 more on average. Would have been bought about end of September into October for average 1050 so maybe left a small bit would have been out grazing heavy paddocks for about a month before housing, dosed twice and done for lice, ate around 3 and half bales each and got no meal. Bigger disapointment or worry is they only averged 50kg weight gain so pasture quality and silage quality obviously an issue



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I never sell those type of cattle this time of year. They are too easily finished. 150kgs LW gets them to 330 DW in August/September. At a base of 4.5 that is 1550 euro.

    I bought nearly everything online last year. If I have bough a good few I get a lad to being home. If I have less than four I head off with the box.

    However it's mostly Friesians I buy. I be happy out with what I bought. No risk of being bulled either.

    Slava Ukrainii



Advertisement