Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Maybe they need the milk

Its where your powder goes…stone mad for granny’s recipe milk powder they are!!😂

Before ye feckin jump on me it’s a joke!

Global feed shortage leaves us in a great position as a country. We can produce milk cheaper than any anywhere else with our grass based system

Huge credit to them for it because they didn’t have to …..hopefully other coops follow suit with something meaningful ….have heard some say we should just leave anyone with fixed milk be …..absolutely no empathy with fellow farmers ….these are really difficult times and no one could of saw how severe things would get ….I know they signed up of thee own free will but to be 12/15 cent proably more off base with current input prices could put lads out of business if nothing done ….for most part it’s the lads with 20/25% plus of milk fixed that need and hopefully will get help

I think in this particular case its massive, grain shortage is going to effect everything, we can do without it to a certain extent. We may have to cut back due to fertiliser shortage/price but we should be able to manage that better than non-grass fed systems as we don't have the massive pressure on 100% of our feed requirements

You are obviously brainwashed by the Teagasc / IFJ speil. Our grass production model is no more profitable than the European maize feed cow. Our yields are only half and our prices are 10% lower. The only thing causing reduction in continental milk production is environmental restrictions and young lads not entering the industry, not feed costs. The same pressures are happening here. In fact with the high fertilizer prices the cost of feeding the cow is increasing more here than the tillage fed cow.

Nothing to do with Teagasc or IFJ, I've a friend who worked for a good few years for an English investment company, they specialised in setting up dairy farms, large scale operations, Argentina, Bulgaria, Chile, Peru, 1,000s of acres. He reckoned we could produce milk cheaper than anywhere else in the world and that gave us a massive advantage for when things took a downturn because we could survive longer than other suppliers, as supply dropped out it eventually drive prices back up. I'll have a look for the comparisons he had at the time.

Well I thought it was clear that I wasn't talking about this year with those calcs. The fact remains that we can produce milk at a lower cost due to our reliance on grass. You talk about rising costs as if we are the only suppliers impacted by this when its a worldwide issue and IMO that advantage is extended as a result of feed and fertiliser shortages rather than narrowed.

I do realise I've broken the unwritten charter of this thread by being positive, I'll do my best to keep it to a minimum in future

We're f**ked, all of us, forever, or at least until we give up farming and go selling insurance

Okay let's do some sums, one hectare of rented ground on grazing block for arguments sake, land charge 650 euro fertilizer charge say a 1000 euro for a combo of urea/can/compound at current prices, 350 euro intrest/loan repayments on roadways/fencing/water infrastructure put in the first year, contracting charges 400 euro including baling excess grass/slurry/fert spreading etc

1000+650+350+400 = 2400 direct costs per ha 14 ton dm of grass grown

2400/14= circa 170 euro ton dm our 17 cent a kilo feed cost per cow a day 18kgs x .17 = 2.90 a day per cow, no meal in the diet, its a lower cost diet than a housed tmr herd in Europe alright but its not a cheap diet

Back by choice?

definitely not the year to go back IMO, but I could be wrong on that

i wouldn’t be saying that if milk price was lower though

We're well up there on milk price though....not the lagards we like to think

Nailed it KG.

Coop rep was talking about Ireland like the Dutch clusterfcuk had already happened…it is getting closer though. The day for firing out fert like snuff at a wake is coming to an end.

For those that think that water quality will improve because of reduced rates this year are misguided. It takes at least 5 or 6 years before any improvements are seen.

It's obviously the plc who the milk was contracted too, the co-op sold 2022's supply of whey to the plc in 2021 for a forward price of circa 6000 euro a ton, today's price on spot market is 18000 euro a ton, their is alot of messing going on where the plc isn't paying market rate for products like the above too...