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GNWoodd · 23-03-2022 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118824273#Comment_118824273

Is this a wind up ?

He wants good quality R grade LM / CH ( presumably bullocks ) brought to this point of their second year for € 850 ?

Bass Reeves · 23-03-2022 06:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118824503#Comment_118824503

He said 350 to 380 kgs. 850-880 euro its plenty for them......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118824273#Comment_118824273

Doubt if you will buy them for that. I imagine 2.8-3/kg. 1000 to 1100 euro. Hard to see a margin on them.

Get the LSL premium for q month. You can watch back on the sales after they are over.

Hard Knocks · 23-03-2022 06:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825506#Comment_118825506

I’d be concerned selling stores in November if there is a fodder shortage

Cavanjack · 23-03-2022 07:22PM

Picking up plenty of continental bulls averaging round €2,40 a kg. Fair enough The fancy ones will make more but if you take your time you will get what you are looking for.

Mf 265 · 23-03-2022 07:56PM

Sold 2 bullocks Monday, I lmx 450kgs 1250,1 chx 480kgs,1280.both 13 months old

23-03-2022 09:33PM

There was 385kg Ch blks in Ennis Friday made 1450.

GNWoodd · 23-03-2022 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825506#Comment_118825506

I wouldn’t consider it plenty for them .

I sold 440 kgs LM bulls a month ago for € 1200 . Black LM out of black HEX cows .At this stage of the year , anyone who has them since birth and who is selling them for less needs a better calculator

Bass Reeves · 23-03-2022 09:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826365#Comment_118826365

That is beside the point. It's immaterial what they cost someone bring to this stage.This year buyers have two choices. But less cattle and less fertlizer or buy the same of both as normal years.

At present fertlizer cannot be got. If it can be bought it's costing 1k/ton. Ration is heading towards 400/ton and again as the year goes on supply will be an issue.

A 400kg bull if fed for 100-120 days can be hung. Lads are willing to bet that prices will home until start of July.

By the look of it from late April on younger cattle will come under pressure. Feeding costs may be hitting 5 euro per day next winter. How will this effect the price being paid for stores. Like I said it plenty for them.

GNWoodd · 23-03-2022 10:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826429#Comment_118826429

As someone who had his hand stuck up a cows nether regions in the early hours of winters morning to bring them into the world it certainly is not immaterial.

And it takes a plentiful supply of arrogance to suggest that it is . Hope that isn’t beside the point for you.

Bass Reeves · 23-03-2022 10:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826515#Comment_118826515

That is a choice that suckler farmers make. The costs of suckler systems are out of kilter with the reality of market forces. Keeping a cow to produce a calf with present costs are crazy. Even with present subsidities these calves cannot compete with dairy cattle. A 370 kg R grade continental suckler bullock will gross about 1830 in the factory at present. An O+ AA bullock killing 330 kgs about 1660 euro. You will buy AA bull calves for 150-200 euro at 3 weeks of age. The suckler bullock is being subsidised to the tune of 160-180 euro but the calf is costing 7-800 euro to get to weaning stage according to most here or maybe more.

So if I had the choice of buying an AA bullock for 650-700 euro and a Continental bullock 350kgs for 900-950 euro guess which I buy.

GNWoodd · 23-03-2022 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826630#Comment_118826630

We are making progress . For the 350 kg Continental you’ve gone from 850 to 880 range up thread to 900 to 950 now .

You will go broke if you keep that up

Bass Reeves · 23-03-2022 11:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826762#Comment_118826762

If you look at my original post I said that 850-880 was plenty for the. I also posted that at present they are probable in the 900-1K bracket. Would I be willing to pay 9-950 no the AA at 650 is better value IMO at present. Like I said 850-880 was plenty for them

Albert Johnson · 24-03-2022 02:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118824273#Comment_118824273

I think you'll struggle to buy goodish type CH cattle at those weights short of €1000 atm. I watched hungry outlying CHx bullocks weighing 320kg (looked to be weighing like a feather duster from the camera, my ideal stores) at €920 in a southern mart tonight. If they could be bought here in the North West at that I'd consider them good value atm.

It's dependent on what you're buying and you'd buy them back as far as €850 or there abouts at 350kg if you weren't too hung up on quality. On the other hand you could have a pen of smashers in the evening standing €1100 or more at similar weights if you weren't worried about the bottom line of the printout.

I'd be advocating putting another €100 a head on the outlay and hoping you could do the business at circa 350kg of an in between type at sub €1000. At the end of the day if he wants the stock to keep the land and payments right and doesn't want looking at lessor cattle then it won't make or break the operation either way with 8 cattle.

Fine Day · 24-03-2022 06:51AM

My money is on heifers to buy this year and in the fall and particularly traditional breeds like Herefords. Fatten them easy on good grass or silage and out the gap under 24 months. Granted you will have the odd one that will take Abit longer but isn't that always the case. Smaller carcass alright but not alot you can do there.

patsy_mccabe · 24-03-2022 09:21AM

High fertiliser prices will filter to huge increases in grain prices. That's inevitable. Finishing cattle off grass with minimum meal may be the most profitable going forward.

jfh · 24-03-2022 10:48AM

What way are incalf sucklers going?! Let the exodus begin

Grueller · 24-03-2022 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828081#Comment_118828081

Going well if calving soon. Less than dry cow prices if calving later.

Albert Johnson · 24-03-2022 09:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828081#Comment_118828081

The springer trade has strengthened well in the last month although in some cases it's still lagging behind the equivalent cull cow price. Anything of reasonable quality, young and close to calving is selling good enough. Once you go into lesser sorts, agey or a distance out from calving then you'll find them harder sold. In my opinion anything in that category was better sold through the culls and announced as "Running with bull".

There'll be no big exodus from suckler's at this point of the year imo. The majority of lad's that have struggled through with cows until this day of the year will calve them and retain as normal for the summer. The fodder they're currently eating was made last year on a different cost basis and a lot of the hard work is done for another winter. Whether or not they'll bull them again this summer is another matter and I believe that next autumn will tell the tale in a lot of cases. Yes lad's might shift culls a bit early and move on a few teams to reduce demand for grass and subsequent fertiliser and meal but they'll need stock as usual for the grazing period.

Come next autumn and possibly facing similar or higher input price's, expensive fodder, God knows what sort of a cattle trade and the prospect of another circa 6 month winter it will be a different story. It won't fully hit home until this year's bills have to be paid as to how much the job has changed from previous year's and most likely will remain changed. It's then you'll see the suckler herd taking another drastic reduction imo.

older by the day · 24-03-2022 09:17PM

I have a few Angus female yearlings about 320 kgs. I would like to keep them. But I gave around 4000 for two pallets of 18:6:12 today. Incase I'd be short later. I saw a few last week for around 660. Don't know what the is the best thing to do

DBK1 · 24-03-2022 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831454#Comment_118831454

Most yearling Angus like that are making €2.30 - €2.50/kg in marts at the minute. So at 320kgs I’d be expecting closer to €760 than €660 if I were you.

Pinsnbushings · 25-03-2022 07:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831454#Comment_118831454

Dairy bred? I have a pen of them aswel, normally keep till autumn but the same as you im considering taking the pressure off..I'd be happy enough with 700 ish

older by the day · 25-03-2022 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832494#Comment_118832494

So would I, 280 kg, (got my weight wrong) 580 and lucky to get it. Light heifers poor today. A lot of talking about fertilizer and ration has buyers and sellers frightened

Pinsnbushings · 25-03-2022 08:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118836016#Comment_118836016

Feck, we missed the boat so, you might still be glad to have them gone, because what way will they be in the autumn.

High bike · 25-03-2022 08:54PM

Disappointing price for them,what Mart was that?

older by the day · 25-03-2022 09:01PM

Skibbereen

ruwithme · 25-03-2022 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831454#Comment_118831454

4k for 2 pallets of bag manure. "Crikey" I know there's a thread running for that, hadn't been checking in there.

Dunedin · 25-03-2022 09:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825506#Comment_118825506

So your telling the poster on one hand that €850-880 is plenty for them but your also telling him he’ll have to pay €1000-1100 to actually buy.

Not very helpful to him really. He wasn’t asking the value , just the price.

High bike · 25-03-2022 09:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118836229#Comment_118836229

I know it's too late now but would that weight heifers be a better trade in 2 or 3 weeks when grass is growing

orm0nd · 25-03-2022 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832071#Comment_118832071

Sold some this week 360 kg for 880 euro.

All bred off our replacement dairy heifers.

Pinsnbushings · 25-03-2022 09:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118836457#Comment_118836457

Good weight in fairness and a nice touch out of them with most of the costs at last years prices. Just shows how inefficient the suckler cow is when they are only making 2-300 more at the same age and when those heifers probably sold 2500 of milk last year aswell.

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