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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    dont see the price going up if tax brought into rental, and at some point the tax free land rental will cease

    rent can only go so far nationally the avg dairy profit per acre according to teagasc in 2019 was 447, dry stock at 150



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Tried it last year. Vet gave it to us when we were having issues.

    Didn't do anything for us..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I've been given a bottle and to report back.

    Was it serious like cocci with you?

    I noticed molasses is the food for the microbes. Three of my test calves drank 30ml's each in their milk tonight. A fourth drank about half a liter, stopped and then i just gave 30ml's as a hail mary down the throat.

    The seal on my bottle was intact so the antibiotic salesmen hadn't had their way with it anyway.😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight



    The move comes just four weeks since the chair of the group, former Teagasc director Gerry Boyle, said any measures under consideration by the group would be voluntary.

    Dairy

    Department moves to reintroduce dairy quotas

    The move comes just four weeks since the chair of the group, former Teagasc director Gerry Boyle, said any measures under consideration by the group would be voluntary.

    Jack Kennedy

    08 March 2022 09:17

    A limit on dairy cows per farm, a limit on the volume produced per farm or the establishment of a greenhouse gas entitlement per farm are the three options under consideration by the Department of Agriculture to curtail expansion in the Irish dairy sector.


    Speaking at the Food Vision dairy group held on Monday in Backweston, Co Kildare, Department Assistant Secretary General Sinead McPhillips reportedly said unless the Government-led think-tank could come up with and agree on solutions to reduce greenhouse gases from the sector, then the Department was going to introduce one of the three mandatory options.


    It is also understood that the establishment of a greenhouse gas entitlement per farm is not yet ready for national roll-out, so the per-cow limit, effectively a stock numbers limit per farm, or the volume limit are the two most likely options under consideration.


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    Modelling


    The Irish Farmers Journal understands that this type of modelling work has been completed to look at the effect of these options on stabilising and reducing greenhouse gases in an Irish scenario.




    The move comes just four weeks since the chair of the group, former Teagasc director Gerry Boyle, said any measures under consideration by the group would be voluntary.


    Minister for Agriculture Charlie McConalogue has asked for a detailed plan on how the dairy sector needs to react in the next number of weeks.


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    The Department announcement is likely to cause huge frustration among the farm organisations and the dairy industry which are taking part in the forum. Farm organisations are likely to challenge any new imposed limit on dairying on a practical and legal basis.


    Fertiliser reduction


    Also at the meeting, Department of Agriculture Inspector Dale Crammond presented details of a plan to further reduce chemical nitrogen usage from a projected 350,000t in 2022 down to 275,000t in 2025.


    This would mean a 13% reduction in 2022, followed by a further 7% reduction in each of 2023, 2024 and 2025. This would involve replacing 65% of CAN (27% N) used on Irish farms with protected urea.


    Teagasc options


    Principal research officer with Teagasc Kevin Hanrahan presented details of a scenario that suggested the dairy herd would need to be reduced by 38% by 2030 if methane levels were to be reduced by 22% compared with 2018.




    The modelling didn’t take into account any mitigation factors. Hanrahan had been requested by the chair to carry out simulation of the required restraint in dairy production and cow growth to achieve, firstly, stable methane levels versus 2018 and, secondly, a 22% reduction versus 2018.


    War rages


    The irony of the whole situation is the fact that a war is raging in Ukraine and Russia that could have devastating and huge potential consequences for Irish, EU and global food and energy reserves.


    Meanwhile, a Government-led think-tank met to consider limiting the one sector of Irish farming that has a competitive advantage and a huge positive economic impact on rural Ireland.


    More reports and analysis to follow.


    Charlie McConalogueCowsDairy herdDairy quotasGerry BoyleGreenhouse gasesMethaneQuotasRussiaTeagasc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭nklc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    ffs keep them well away from any of this …they took a blind one sided approach to nitrate banding of cows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    I think they're going to keep going until they finish farming altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I can see a new found appreciation of all farmers stemming from the Russian invasion and all the knock on effects it’s having worldwide ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Would the quota be a reference year or based on more stocking rate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    A poteintal reference year is one of main reasons I’m mantaning stock numbers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    And why I am trying to get them up a bit. Expensive year to be buying and trying to save more feed to be at it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    They will discard all common sense and practical solutions and just listen to whatever teagasc say. So it will be a new Zealand lite model. That means more cows and less milk. So I guess the limit will be on litres as opposed to stocking rates or milk solids or anything that would make more sense. Then they will keep going around in circles with declining water quality, etc. It's hard not to feel deflated with all the BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    You know the battle has been lost when an taisce are talking more sense then the government re allowable organic n on the grazing block, then you house cows and draw their slurry to outside blocks, the department by the looks of things want to shut the industry down, and not a word about compensation for farmers that literally have mortgaged the farm to facilitate expansion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭cosatron


    We recently installed a secondhnad parlout with the milk pump down the pit. Had a diaphragm pump before hand. So the automatic probes have a mind of there own. Just wondering what do my fellow sufferers use and how do you find it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Electric pump in the pit same as yourself.

    Sounds like the control box needs some adjustment. Had to do some tinkering with the settings on my own before I got where I wanted it. The first year I wasn't long finding out about the reset button.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Cheers, the blue dail is set at 9.5, but it's so unpredictable, the service guys are coming out Saturday to see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    320 an acre for silage ground for 2 cuts of silage locally here

    you buy the fertiliser

    absolute madness



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    All depends weather said farmer can cut back numbers and forget about the lunacy of the above our he can't due to financial commitments, its a zero sums game, that silage ground at 320 could be value come next spring if grain can't be got into the country and probably fertilizer, the job is f***ked to put it mildly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    16€ per bale just for the land

    i bought a stack of 250 bales last week for 23€

    and none of my N and P allowance used up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    What kind of bales? You probably know your sources but finding it's a bit of a lucky bag with guys buying bales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Whoever you bought that from didn't know the value of what they had, or they know it's rubbish. I hope that's not the case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    It’s for dry cows for me, I’ll make silage good enough for milkers myself

    he opened a bale from the stack for me and it was grand stuff for what I wanted, all good firm round bales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Will you draw them to your yard now or as you need them next winter.

    We find it hard to keep bales from one year to the next especially if handled more than once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Another 16-20 for fertilizer, those bales are less than half the cost of this year's stuff. Some value if they do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I’ll have to draw them before he makes silage this year which is grand and gives me a bit of time to do them when we’re a bit quieter

    a local guy has an elephant trunk which is supposed to be good for taking bales from stacks, I’ll see if he could do the loading and unloading

    we kept a stack of 500 bales over that were made in autumn 2020, did have some bad ones alright but majority were okay enough



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Our contractor has the elephant trunk, used it to stack ours the last few years, they are a good job alright once you get the hang of them.

    A few bad ones is enough to put my father off, I'm trying to talk him into buying a few but no stir.

    I suggested hay but he doesn't like that being dragged onto slats, so think I'll just have to make as much as possible of own this year.



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