The Irish Left, Putin and NATO

The Far-Left and Far-Right have always had Hard-Ons for Dictators. Elements of both seem to support Putin for some strange reason though.

They need to be allowed speak their guff so we can identify them, and then rightly ridicule them as the complete clowns that they are.

PBP = Putin before People

The problem with hard line socialism is that a central plank of the teaching of Marx is ordinary people don't know what is best for them because they have been brainwashed by the rich and therefore have to be lead to the promised land of socialist bliss by force if necessary. That is fundamentally at odds with democracy so they will naturally tend to support dictators who oppose western democracies.

Also the likes of PBP, Sinn Fein etc have been in a cosy relationship with Putin for years where they can avail of Putin's bot farms to help spread their populist disruptive message. These same bot farms played a pivotal role in the election of Trump, Orban, Johnson and even back to the Brexit vote. They also have been key to the resurgence of LaPen in France. Can we really be foolish enough to think we are not part of that attempt to undermine western democracy and that purely by chance an army of Shinner bots arose made up of all Irish lads sitting in bungalows in Sligo and not Russian lads sitting in industrial units on the edge of Moscow.

Democratically governments were removed by the US - Greece , Dominican Republic, Nicaragua to mention a few so not quite sure you can really take something like that as being genuinely as being specific to marxists.

Im annoyed to learn about Wallace and Daly, I have time for them but am not happy they voted against the resolution

They hate neoliberalism so much, they cosy up to a country run by a murderous right-wing dictator and his gang of kleptocrats and oligarchs, just to stick it to America and the EU.

for years Mick Wallace painted himself as a beacon for human rights and lectured us on and on about the atrocities committed by the Israeli government against the Palestinians in Israel.

well here’s another Israel 2.0 being created right in front of yours eyes in europe and we saw where you stood you hypocrite.

And it wasn’t just Wallace

this event in Ukraine has dropped the mask off the face of many people who actually never cared about humanitarian causes and are only interested in petty politics. Pathetic.

I am sure that they will forget the full-blown retreat of people like Ming and Sinn Fein who are reversing quickly away from their long-time support of Putin.

you would think that if you believed the news that Putin just woke up and decided I'm gonna take over the world starting today with Ukraine.

Defo his invasion was a terrible thing but as per the other thread, thinking there are goodies and baddies in geo politics is naïve. He didn't start this for nothing. The key to regaining peace is dealing with that.

I think the point here is that people like Wallace and Daly, McManus and Ming in the European Parliament have been defending Putin for years. That sort of support from politicians like them helps convince Putin that the West will turn a blind eye when he does something like Ukraine. In effect, lads like those are our Neville Chamberlains.

As for not starting this for nothing, the idea that violence is the solution to any problem is wrong. This is no just war, Putin is just plain wrong.

Where did I post that? Don't think I did. I think you've me mixed up. As regards the FG comment what difference does it make?

I don't understand it at all, to be honest, and I'd be far further left than most people. All imperialism of every kind is bad. Russian imperialism is bad. Western imperialism is bad. Imperialism with the intention of installing left wing leaders is bad. Imperialism with the intention of installing right wing leaders is bad.

Literally every single possible action which is one nation state trying to subvert the democratic will of the people in another nation state for reasons of political ideology or material gain is evil and wrong. That includes what Russia is doing now and did for a lot of the cold war, and it includes a great many things Western powers have done as well.

I truly don't understand how anyone can possibly fail to see the utter ridiculousness in condemning imperialism conditionally depending on who is doing it. Any action taken by any nation state whose purpose is to overturn or subvert political decisions taken democratically in another nation state is imperialism. Unless there are genuine humanitarian issues at play (human rights violations), such actions are always, always unacceptable.