Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

How about you couldn't be allowed to buy anything takeaway in the park. Like a takeaway coffee. or bring it in. Same with picnic benches. Just remove them all.

What do you tell your relatives that are not wheelchair bound?

I see people near me drive their kids 1.5km to school. And collect them at lunchtime. It works out at about 200km of driving. The children are not wheelchair bound. This blinkered car-only view of transport options naturally continues as the kids get older and the cycle (no pun intended) of car dependence cannot be broken.

But they don't. That's the problem.

In a previous job a retirement email went around about a person who was retiring. They parked in the phoenix park and walked to work for 20 years, that's wrong.

But, as a lone female who likes to exercise, and preferred the business of Chesterfield avenue I miss how safe it felt to park on Chesterfield avenue (Castleknock end) to go for a walk. I certainly would never park on the North Road, I've encountered plenty of dodgy people there over the years.

I see the plus sides of the changes they've made but also the negatives.

Maybe but parking all day in the park is a relatively recent like in the last decade. Back then parking was still available for free or cheap around town. Even when traffic was mental in 90s commuters didn't really park in the park that much. A bit in front of Garda HQ but that also was stopped.

People used to park at Parkgate street gates. But the OPW stopped it. Thats when people started parking all day on Chesterfield.

It would be very easy to track all day parking and fine them. If that was the problem. The reality though is it wasn't just commuters parking there (that's a false narrative) and they don't just want commuters off Chesterfield. It's everyone.

The numbers going through the park commuting is the lowest it will ever be. If they want to cut off through traffic even as a trial now is the time to do. They should have done it during the lockdown. But traffic is only going to increase from this point forward.

I've lived beside the Park all my life and echo this. The OPW are simply not up to the task. Recent screwups are, for instance, the absence of a proper toilet block at Ashtown Castle Centre redevelopment (where Bloom is held). They threw in some smelly portaloos - elevated for some insane reason - which are totally unsuitable for the elderly let alone the disabled. All throughout the park there are trees which have long since outgrown the wire mesh protector yet are never removed. The Army and Garda GAA clubs look derelict and dilapidated. Use them or lose them. The paths in the Peoples' Garden are a joke and in 60 plus years I never saw the miles of railings being repainted. There is no vision for increasing biodiversity by replacing the acres of grass with meadowland species. I could rant on...

As to the traffic thread, though I am a keen cyclist thanks to an e bike (a godsend at my age), many are not as lucky to live in close proximity and should be catered for. ..by reasonable car access. There should be a bus service from Heuston Station up Chesterfield to Castleknock and beyond catering for public transport access to the Zoo etc and general commuting. The North Road has a sinister feel to it these days. The stupid ramps put in years ago would trash an army jeep.

I've written to Eamonn Ryan asking for wolves to be reintroduced to control the population of southsiders😎

"Reasonable and adequate" means many things to many people. The Park is the poster park not just in this city but nationally. If restrictive access to those with no other option than car usage, is pushed to excess, it will merely appear an elitist argument and undermine any broader conversation for change. The OPW clearly have bamboozled the elected politicians with the standard budget guff and are either unwilling or fearful to confront institutional inertia. There are Beech trees centuries old in the park and, if allowed, it will be another century before the current glacial pace of change allows the park reach its full potential.

PS I'll credit the OPW for doing a great job on the Connyngham Rd Gate. Now get on with the Magazine Fort etc etc

Just as a car would. No ? It's hardly busy. Maybe I'm missing something...but I don't think it merits an entirely separated bike exit point..it would also screw with the aesthetics.

I admit I never spotted the "one way sign" before. Then again I haven't driven in years. Guess I'm breaking the law coz I enter there quite frequently by bike. The outlaw jose wales....

"but I’d be pretty certain that Chesterfield av parking will not return....."

My son is happy with that. I admit I never even considered it before....just hated the ugliness of the cones. Goes to show there are many cyclists who are very uncomfortable in close proximity to motor traffic.....unlike me. Anyhow all good now ..hope the bollards wont be ugly yokes. DCC might screw it up though with their bollard selection committeeee...