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What does the Secretary General of the health department do all day, anyway?

  • 26-01-2022 6:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭


    I genuinely have no idea. Anyone?

    Robert Watt gets paid €294,920 for his services in this role anyway. So I'd like to apply! :D

    What's the difference between his role and Paul Reid? Whose salary is even more eye-watering, at €420k.

    Seriously, how does one get into these roles?!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Loads of information for you here;

    and here's the job spec.


    I'm fairly sure Paul Reid's role was publicly advertised at the time. Why didn't you apply?

    I'd guess that understanding the difference between the role of the Department and the role of the HSE would probably be a prerequisite to taking up a leadership post on either side. So that rules your good self out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84,788 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The top civil servant in the Department of Health has confirmed he has taken an €81,000 pay increase.

    Robert Watt had come under pressure in recent days to clarify whether he is now taking the pay hike which was controversially awarded to him when he was appointed secretary-general in the Department of Health last year.

    The pay bump brought his salary to €292,000, however, Mr Watt had temporarily waived the increase.

    The Irish Examiner this week revealed that Mr Watt received a further rise of nearly €3,000 last October, meaning his salary now stands at €294,920.


    The Examiner


    It is astonishing pay not sure what he does



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Correct. But he had strong public sector experience, and you can bet he knew the difference between the role of the Department and the role of the agency.

    In broad terms, the Department sets health policy. The HSE provides health services in line with that policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭gifted


    His salary is what it is...its the pay increase that is involved....awful amount for a pay increase.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    What does the Minister do? Tell Watt the policies the Minister/Gov want, then Watt drafts legislation, the Dail debates it and passes it, and the HSE implements it?

    Sounds doable alright. But we all know the Yes Ministers run the country don't they?



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,914 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    And still hasn't by all accounts, absolute spoofer

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    What does he do all day?

    Count.

    1 minute =€3.15

    2 minute = another €3.15



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,655 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The increase would probably pay for 1 FTE nurse, once training and materials ate considered. Its trivial compared to the health budget. And 50% will be paid back in tax.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    It is not about triviality wrt to the health budget.

    It, like the salaries (and allowances) of many heads in the public funds trough, is an insult to the rest of us.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Madeoface


    420k for Paul Reid? Really? To read out stats and repeat what NPHET said for months? To flunk the contact tracing system and produce 'guidance' on the hse website that is beyond belief and contradictory.

    Myself, my kids primary school office and a neighbour all rang the hse helpline on a query to do with primary school kids, positive cases in a home and isolating, and we got 3 different answers. Same old hse.

    I went to a 'leadership' conference Reid was speaking at years ago. He was highlighting his private sector (telecom eireann monopoly) experience and how he'd change the public sector. Must have been ten years ago....I'd love to hear what he actually delivered in changes cos the health system is as bad as ever. Total Jack Pallancer from what I can see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭boardise


    430K ..works out at about 20,000 per apology for service foul-ups and executive delinquencies every year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    The salaries are managed by Finance/Public Expenditure, not Health and not the HSE. Managing staff salaries and balancing staff costs and budgets to staff demands is a huge part of any organization these don't have to deal with. Since such a huge tasks is not their responsibility, why are they getting paid so much?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The reality is that the State needs to provide salaries like these to exemplary public servants so they won't move over to the likes of McKinsey, Boston Consulting, or even the likes of EY, Deloitte, Accenture (at a stretch). Then the very same consulting firms will pitch their services to the civil service at multiples of that.

    There's a very simplistic narrative going around about the pay of public servants, politicians, and RTÉ presenters that seems to appeal to the outrage community. This is dangerous territory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    The question you should be asking is what metrics is he scored on because he absolutely has targets and objectives. If you know what they are, whether they are appropriate and whether he is achieving/exceeding them you might be on to something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    We give insanely unjustifiable high salaries in this country compared to our foreign counterparts in similar roles. I understand that the cost of living here can be higher but it does be way out of proportion.

    Always amazes me and reeks of friends sorting friends out really.



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    where does this rank amongst the remuneration packages in the country?


    is it in the top 100 would we say, when stocks and bonuses and cars and perks are taken into account?


    the head of any govt department will have a significant profile of achievement to be in the running at all for what is a demanding public role.


    those that could do it for that money are often doing a lot more damaging things for the country for a lot more money

    those that think they could do it for any money but who can't even list the basic responsibilities of the job- but are all too happy to show their arses and their ignorance on a public sector thread yet again- well I think anyone can draw their own conclusions there

    whether watt is worth the job or the money is of course a matter of opinion- whether the head of a government department should be in the 220k range (the bonus flung on to health is a funny one, no doubt) shouldn't be.

    whether an individual took up his salary package as set out in the terms of his employment shouldn't imo be a headline and it's pretty dodgy stuff for ministers to be making a headline of it.

    every minister should be as quick to give us a run down of their assets and wealth and all their incomes besides before they make comment on the salaries of public servants



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    I was genuinely bemused when I posted originally- I really don’t know what this job role is, that’s all! Anyway someone has provided a job description, so thank you :D

    I know that salary packages have to be attractive to get the best people at the top, but I think another poster hit the nail on the head when he/she stated that it’s more that we have no idea what the targets are, or how their performance is evaluated, to justify these salaries. People certainly do not feel like they are getting value for money with our health service, and rightly or wrongly, these headlines are a sign of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I suppose the issue comes from the fact that the head of NHS earns about half what Paul Reid does. That is a much larger organisation in a country with much higher paid executives in private industry.

    Do we have any indication that consulting firms are head hunting the CEOs of county councils at that sort of salary range? I would be very surprised if that was the case. I think we would all like to know how we got to the point where the answer to the issues in the HSE, with a spend of 20bn a year, is the CEO of Fingal county council? Maybe the salary is reasonable for the right person, but it seems we always hire people who are on the upper PS/state board/quango merry go round, the Angela Kerrin's of the Irish Labor market. Maybe part of the hiring process is making sure the person "knows how things work in the PS" or "knows not to upset the apple cart"?

    We have been doing it this way for a long time and the state fails miserably at anything that involves providing a service in a reasonable time frame to end users. When you finally get an appointment in a hospital, you often end up arriving at a "clinic", take a ticket and you realise that 50 other people also had a 9:30 am appointment. Do you ever go to a private dentist at 9:30 and find that 50 people are there already waiting with their tickets? No, of course not, because you wouldn't accept that if you were paying for it directly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Also, the CEO of NHS England earns £195k and has actually worked in the NHS throughout his career, unlike Paul Reid. The NHS also employs approximately 13x more people than the HSE. I just cannot see how a salary of €420k can be considered commensurate with what he has delivered in the last 2 years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The SG is the Accounting Officer for the Dept, so he is responsible to the Oireachtas for every cent spent. Yes, DPER sets overall salary policy, but Dept Health would lead on major sectoral issues, like the GP contract and the consultant contract. They would have substantial input into overall salary policy and negotiations for nurses’ salaries and more.

    Again, I’ve no idea why you’re comparing against such different roles in the private sector. The Dept is responsible for the largest employer in the country and hundreds of thousands of indirectly employed staff. They are the lead on Covid response (CMO, NPHET, NIAC), on healthcare, social care, disability services, rehab services and lots, lots more. It really doesn’t compare well to making widgets or selling phones.

    Having said that, the salary increase just for Watt is indefensible. Everyone in Health should be banging on the door for a corresponding increase.



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    I have no idea what Watt does to earn almost 300,000 euros but I suppose he compared himself to Paul Reid.

    He doesnt draft legislation though, the staff of the Attorney Generals Office do that.

    I dont know who Paul Reid was benchmarked against as he earns far more than the head of the NHS,surely this is wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Lads, they're worth exactly what we pay them. The Irish taxpayer is so complacent that he doesnt really care if he's being fleeced. The press sure arent going to shine a light into this because they're doing nicely too.

    You get the civil service that you deserve.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Watt previously worked in Department of Public Expenditure.

    Before moving to his current role in Department of Health, he approved a salary increase for the role in Department of Health, which he would later move to. He effectively set his own salary, then jumped to that new job. Snouts in the trough doesnt even begin to describe it.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40736856.html

    Mr Watt’s salary is especially controversial as, in his previous role as secretary general of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, he was central to the design of the new pay package.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Packrat


    So your solution to clearly excessive salaries in the public "service" is more excessive salaries in the public service?

    What do You do yourself for a living may I ask?

    Public "service" a possibility?

    Don't piss on my head and try to tell me it's raining...

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Firblog


    What really sticks in my craw with the remuneration the upper levels of the public service receive is the pensions; they should be limited to the average wage of people in the private sector, if you don't think that's enough to live on in retirement then either contribute to a private pension yourself or come up with ways to improve the average wage of private workers.



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    bloody save draft function put in the wrong quote and now it won't delete, ffs



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Do people in this thread realise Ryan Tubridy is on 500k...

    Thats where your anger should be....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    He's on 500k as a contractor and "entertainer"

    I dont think he's worth it, but its far less of an insult to the taxpayer than a public servant getting 300k per annum, an 80k increase from previously - and not only that, but it was him in his previous role at Dept of Expenditure that set the 80k pay increase for his now current job!



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