Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Lol and when you're cornered again you dodge ignore and throw out a new tangent.

I haven’t looked in here for a week or so - and I still see the round about argument with the same posters.

Just ignore them.

As has been pointed out many times the overwhelming evidence is that these vaccines are safe and effective.

2 kids, another on the way, 31 years old and needs a heart transplant (which is pretty damned interesting, pretty young and was it wise to have kids with such a dangerous defect? A discussion for another thread.) Typical massively selfish anti-vaxxer not looking beyond his own navel, leaving those precious kids that I'm sure he'd claim to do anything for, fatherless. Glad the hospital is following good medical procedure, can't waste precious organs.

But why would your imaginary doctor brother do this if he believes that the vaccines aren't effective?

Does he know that you are spilling the secret information he gave you on boards?

Lol. Why have you copy pasted this? What has it got to do with any point being made about a vaccines?

But how could he be misinformed when he's a doctor? Are you just better at medicine and science than he is?

And again does he know that you are leaking the fact he's your source for this classified information. (That you can't actually show is true.)?

Why not ask your pretend brother about all of the other reasons why people can be turned down for organ transplants?

If a guy who is misinformed and ignorant like that gets a new organ why would he listen to doctors went they tell him about all of the stuff he needs to keep doing to stay healthy with a new organ? One example of which is maybe needing to be vaccinated because transplant recipients are generally immunosuppressed.

Would be a bit pointless to give him an organ when he's needlessly taking risks with it.

A heart becomes available

There are 2 matches, who should get it?

The 45 year old overweight who smokes, drinks and refuses to give up either?

The 45 year old non smoker who agrees not to drink before the operation and had started losing weight?

Neither. You pick the next best candidate that doesn't engage in risky behavior because of addiction to tobacco or misinformation on the internet.

Lol, dude. You're deflecting from the points you've made.

Dohnjoe explained why the measures were lifted to you in a way a child would understand. I agree fully with that explanation.

So again please go back and read that. And on the way Mayne try addressing some of the points that you are trying to run from and getting all pissy about.

Particularly you could show that your claim about who is in the ICU is actually true. Please point to something other than hearsay from a fictional brother.

Also it's very cute when you guys do this mirroring "nah uh you are!" Thing. Really shows the level of maturity behind anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.

Jumping from point to point & failing to answer reasonable questions are certainly what I look for in someone I consider trustworthy.

@Phishnet you have been caught out lying, shown that you do not understand statistics/data and continually dodged questions. What is it that you think you bring to this discussion?

For clarity RE the transplant case

He was removed from the transplant list.

US hospital refuses to perform heart transplant for unvaccinated patient

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/BNuhkH

"Brigham and Women's Hospital told the BBC in a statement: "Given the shortage of available organs, we do everything we can to ensure that a patient who receives a transplanted organ has the greatest chance of survival."

A spokesman said the hospital requires "the Covid-19 vaccine, and lifestyle behaviours for transplant candidates to create both the best chance for a successful operation and to optimise the patient's survival after transplantation, given that their immune system is drastically suppressed".

The hospital's carefully worded statement may suggest other factors lie beyond the patient's unvaccinated status for his ineligibility, but it refused to discuss specifics, citing patient privacy.

The hospital added that most of the 100,000 people on waitlists for organ transplants will not receive an organ within five years because of the shortage of available organs."

"Dr Arthur Caplan, head of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, told CBS News that after any organ transplant a patient's immune system is all but shut down and even a common cold can prove fatal.

"The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving," said Dr Caplan."

There is a thread on this forum asking why Conspiracy Theorists always lie. I’m sure input would be appreciated there from the guys that appear to be quite vocal with their lies on this thread. For some reason they avoid the liar thread.