Herbal Lay

Sainfoin needs good dry ground. Marking destroys it.

Cocksfoot and Timothy definitely for drought and also in wetter ground, help drain it, deep roots and wide roots help prevent poaching

The fine machinery will have to be parked up and 2 buckets filled with seed , one marked wet, the other dry.

It's like hurling the flick of the wrist.

Can you get seed from the uk now ? Couldn't last spring -

If you can western seeds have a good rep , particularly at doing mixes that suit wetter cooler Irish conditions ..

I don't know.

I bought 5kg of borage seed last may though, from Boston seeds.

What are the species ? Any info on the expected persistence ?

Expensive ?

( The rest of the 20 questions will come later !!😁😁

Is it going on grazing ground and what is your soil type?

We are for finally getting around to doing some reseeding this year, but I think we'll get in the seed man to tell us what will work best. Too much money involved for us to be making an ill-informed decision.

Looking forward to see how it goes as I was interested in that mix too.

Whats it for? Grazing and or cutting?

Plantain and chicory, alsike clover would be a good addition for any wet spots.

Wouldn't bother with anything fancy.

Cocksfoot, timothy, festulolium might be worth adding if it was only straight ryegrass in it

I'd say that sainfoin probably wouldn't be too good. Unless you give it a longer rotation and are careful it wont last too long.

Its seed size is about 10 times that of clovers so much less plants also.

Red and alsike clover would be better imo

Yep super stuff.

I think a lot of it is going to be putting in seeds that suit your conditions , stuff thst does well in dry ground , warm climates obviously isnt going to thrive in wet /cold conditions and vice versa .. if you think of a 10 year cycle , we get 2 or 3 good years, 2 or 3 bad years and 4 to 6 average years , ( and the exceptionals will be in there too, )

And obviously anything thats not persistant unless it seeds isnt going to survive long in the field unless the plant gets to flower and seed , so if its being grazed every 3 or 4 weeks thats not going to happen ,

But if you've a mix that suits you could broadcast a small amount of seed into the lay every couple of years ..

That's disappointing to say the least. Do you know what happened for it to fall back in only the second year? Is that it or are you going to stitch any clover or anything into it?

Grazed too tight. Too much manure cos too much stock. Outcompeted by grass too.

plenty clover still