221 - any pics of new cars ?

Yes very quiet this year. I thought about starting a thread but thought one would be started soon so did not bother.

Spotted this yesterday...

Edit, not sure how I rotate an image....

Replacing my wifes 2019 Velar... P400e this time .. great job so far.

Digital Instrument Cluster

Pivi Pro System with wireless android auto / apple Carplay

360 Degree Cameras instead of reversing alone

Cheap Road Tax and 10% insurance reduction :)))

the quietness and the power is the big thing ... the 180 was powerful enough with young kids in the car

but was a noisy enough old yoke when trying to take off or pass out

JLr are really struggling for parts at the moment so if you order now ,they dont have the chips for

Digital Instrument cluster ,360 camera or even a spare key... you dont get any reduction in price either for doing without these features.

I got a new defender in September and still no spare key but trade ins are massive at the moment which makes up for it.

No pics, so apologies in advance, but I've seen three 221 cars around Waterford since the start of the year:

• White Transit (Connect?) van (the small one)
• White Mazda MX-30 (looks great, but short electric range means we probably won't see many of them)
• Dark Mazda 6

Those options are added to your 221 or taken away because of chip shortage?

great looking car, well wear.

was just remarking yesterday that I haven’t seen a single 221 yet, bar a dealer Kia EV6, and I’m out on Dublin commuter roads every day.

the New Year’s Day bank holiday being the Monday 3rd, might’ve meant the first day was the 4th

Are you serious? Will they retrofit later?

im 100% serious ,no retrofit later ...

in the uk and us guys are trading in 6-12 month old defenders and making 20k due to the waiting list

have a look at the market adjustment dealers are adding to new cars in the states its mental...

Yeah,they were 96k for a while last year ,up to 108k now ,,, new model on the way ,presume they will go up mad judging by the price of the full size RR.

i see one JLR garage has one of the new RR on the way 235k with the D250 engine :(

Ya I get what you mean, having driven both I much prefer the drive/cabin/comfort of the RR though. The screens/instrument cluster and seats in the RR are far more impressive than the generic BMW X5 which is pretty much the same as a 3 series except higher up.

The one drawback of the RRs I have experienced is their reliability. Whilst I have had no problems with my RRS, I previously had new Discoverys which spent quite a bit of time in the garage, mostly with electrical problems.

Again, I know exactly what you mean. The Discos are fantastic, the newer version takes a while to get used to due to the complete design change from boxy to a rounder shape. They are rugged, but I didn’t find them that comfortable. I do miss that big boot though. The RRS does look a bit dated now and is due for an upgrade later this year or next, I would expect it to be sleeker/more sporty than the current model. But goochy the comfort and drive is something else and the 404bp engine in the PHEV does shift when it is charged and you put the foot down. The new full fat hybrid will be here later this year and it is getting great reviews, I’m waiting to see what the sticker price is with the lower VRT than the current new models available, the dealers aren’t giving details yet.

Sorry that should have said mostly commercial versions being bought

Anyone who doesn't trust the Government to compensate for the stress that data centres and the non-replacement of peat fired stations are putting on the national grid, for one.

A stress on the system that will only increase the more people buy EVs!

Why in hell would anyone pay a 15 to 20% premium for a family car just because its electric. My missus has her Rav4 self-charging hybrid, nice little runaround, low emissions, impeccably reliable and resale value doesn't matter cos I'll run it into the ground, which will be at least another decade.