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US Maniac cops at it again, this time in LA.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    On the Minnesota case, there seemed to be no dispute that the officer in question made a genuine mistake when using her gun instead of her taser - the question was whether it was 'just' a mistake, or whether it was so reckless as to be a crime...and the jury decided it was the latter. To describe her as a 'maniac' is pretty unfair.

    In this case, police shot at (and killed) a man behaving threateningly in a clothes shop - he attacked somebody with a bike lock - but one of the bullets fired went through the flimsy dressing room wall and killed a 14 year old girl who had nothing to do with the incident.

    From my (Irish) perspective, it seems hard to argue against recklessness when somebody has died in such a fashion, but we've seen time and time again that police in the USA get a fair degree of latitude when it comes to incidents like these. That said, I do remember a police officer getting convicted for shooting an innocent bystander when aiming at a suspect, so we will just have to wait and see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 80,795 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn


    Any mention yet of the race of the cop or the victim? That defines how long the story will be in the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    It’s funny that a certain cohort in the US can go around screaming in cops’ faces and dressing like militia threatening everyone and the police just shrug and let them on their way but are completely trigger-happy in situations like this. Funny that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,833 ✭✭✭circadian


    I wouldn't see Potter as a maniac by any means. There's plenty of evidence of police brutality that is with intent and often with discrimination.


    Honestly, I believe her case to be the result of awful training practices in the police force there. To become a police officer you need 21 weeks, on average, training. This is significantly behind other developed nations. They have no national agreement on training so while it's 21 weeks on average you can be sure as **** it's a lot less in some places.


    The policing system there is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. From brutality, corruption, racism to ineptitude, lack of correct funding and a lack of any meaningful training means that it is inevitable that we see incidents like this regularly.

    I don't know about the incident in LA but it does seem wreckless to be firing a gun in that environment, it's well proven that hitting a target, even close range isn't as easy as it's made out to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    She shot the man twice with her gun, allegedly believing it was her taser. In the video you can see her navigating the struggle so as not to get a colleague. She was no quick draw Mcgraw. There was some time, her holding her gun before and between shots. If she thought it was a taser at best she's a dangerous idiot.

    While the other incident is a tragic accident the cop decided to use deadly force.

    They need to vet their cops better. Weed out the nut jobs and idiots.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    She had 26 years of pretty good service by all accounts, she was hardly a fresh-faced rookie out of a 21-week academy. Somehow, she genuinely ballsed up and pulled the wrong weapon, even veterans can make that mistake, bizarre though it seems to us. Still culpable, of course, but not maniac. It's not the first time it's happened, Johannes Mehserle shot Oscar Grant in similar circumstances.

    The LA case is a basic tragic incident. The cops had to deal with the threat they faced at the time. I seem to recall a Garda shot by another Gard up around Dundalk a couple years back. Not a culpable issue.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who TF would be a cop in present day America.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭ChickenDish


    This accident was totally avoidable, another example of trigger happy Police where their first reaction was to kill rather than disable.

    If descalation doesn't work you disable with tazers not automatically fire your weapon. Obviously I wasn't there, but in most Western countries that would have ended differently.

    Discharging a weapon in a shopping centre full of people if always gonna end in tears. Police in America need better training and less emphasis needs to be put on using your firearm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,318 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    High school bullies, college dropouts, racists...the bar is pretty low. I've watched enough YouTube videos to know the cops over there are on huge power trips.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,875 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ... black and tans reborn...?


    There was a joke:

    "I want to apply to be a police officer"

    " Very well - firstly, have you ever been convicted of a criminal offense involving voilence?

    "No, Sir!"

    "Ah well, thanks for applying..."

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Well there you have it folks, in a country with a population of nearly half a billion this man has seen it all on YouTube to know all the cops over there are a bunch of scumbags.

    Post edited by Harryd225 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    So you honestly think there’s no better way to disarm someone of a bike lock than shooting him and an innocent child dead? Jesus wept.

    Tell me this, how come the cops are so reluctant to “deal with” these lunatics running around with automatic weapons and political flags intimidating and threatening people, dressed up in army gear? They only seem to want to go after the easy targets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,318 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Look for a channel on there called "Audit the Audit". You can come back and apologize for being an ignoramus then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,339 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    You think it was impossible to shoot something not fatal but dam powerful enough to make anyone fall, but they seem to prefer a shoot to kill if your tail light is out.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    The issur in america if you attempt ot disarm a chain swinging madman with your baton, there's a good chance the criminal will pull a gun.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I just searched for it..... Are you trying to wind me up or what😂



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,921 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    That is perception. The reality is that your chain swinging madman is unlikely to have a gun or he’d have already drawn it. And even if he had the chance of him drawing it and getting one off before he is disarmed by to police officers wearing body armor are not very high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have two friends who are cops in the US, and they're genuinely good people, who were concerned with how their local area was developing/developed. So, they got off their asses and actually contributed to their community by becoming cops. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and snipe at others, especially when you ignore just how dangerous/unpredictable crime can be there compared to here. It's not even remotely the same.

    From what I've heard from other friends in the US, most cops are normal people doing the best they can. With any organisation there are oddballs, and bullies... they don't represent the majority.

    Oh, and I see no reason why that other poster should apologise. They were right in what they said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    It's more funny all these people in Ireland jumping on the popular bandwagon of hating the police in the USA, it's been made fashionable by brain dead rappers and celebrities.

    I don't agree at all with what happened in this case sometimes SOME of the police over there are far too quick to turn to their gun to solve the problem but there is a huge difference in being critical of some police officers panicking and using their weapon than there is of promoting hatred of the police as a whole like most of the people on this thread and some bafoons in the USA.

    The problem is guns are everywhere over there, there is strong suspicion to believe any suspect is armed so the police are naturally on edge, the police have a very very difficult job in the USA, it's not like it's a foreign police force occupying land, someone has to police the bloody place so all this talk about hating the police and that they are all trigger happy animals is nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The end result of BLM and Defund the Police etc is a police force with its hands tied, a massive upsurge in dead black people and rich white kid activists loving it, talking about solidarity, socialism, social justice etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    It's not like the top brass of the police are colluding with and controlling the KKK to massacre a ton of black people, police are driving into the ''hood'' where the people hate the police black or white police it doesn't matter and in these areas handguns are sold for 40 dollars and machine guns aren't much more expensive, it's no wonder there are casualties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The police in America are the only thing in America stopping its inner cities from exploding in to mass murder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,318 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Look this isn't the first time something like this has happened and it certainly wont be the last, they're not and never will be serious about fixing the gun problem they have, it's part of them and it always will be.

    They're fine with it so let them be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    I saw interview with black man seriously saying how he wish for all woke white people to go back to sleep.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Whilst I agree with the first sentence (but disagree with your omission of whether or not it's a good idea to get into swinging range of someone wielding a chain with a lock on the end), there are plenty of examples of folks out-drawing cops who already have their guns out. One of the more extreme ones was the case of a chap surrounded on three sides by cops with guns drawn earlier this year, and he still manages to draw a firearm and put three rounds into two of them before they neutralize the threat. https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/6/9/22526930/police-shooting-video-cpd-copa-lawndale-bruce-lua

    OODA loops are a thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    What does a cop get paid? It would want to be a healthy six figures. Life at risk, lots of beuraucracy,very cliquey and constant toxic environment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    What I dont understand is the world's media constantly reporting every mistake US cops make....

    Gang violence in places like America is fairly hororrific. Ie literally thousands of dead a year. However that's largely ignored while the media report police shootings?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's inevitable and it's always been the case because it's the most important country in the world.

    Unlike anywhere else whatever big happens in the US has consequences everywhere.

    That's why you hear so much about America.

    It's a vast, vast country. The way some go on they think everyone's rioting or has multiple guns or whatever.

    Complete nonsense. It's a very diverse country with good and bad.

    Let me put it this way, would a viral video of Travellers doing a sulky race or something be a fair representation of you as an Irish person?

    Would that encapsulate Irish people?

    Of course it doesn't.



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