Looking for stats on % of unvaccinated people in ICU with underlying conditions

Will you apply the same logic to adverse events from the vax?

It is not a necessary element to live like air and water and food, and it is a choice that the jabbed took - a large percent to prevent social exclusion - so you want to hold everyone financially responsible for any health issues because of their choices?

or is this just in one situation?

In any case it is a despicable reaction to other peoples' choice not agreeing with yours regardless their reasons.

>Will you apply the same logic to adverse events from the vax?

No, it is in interests of community to have members vaccinated.

>you want to hold everyone financially responsible for any health issues because of their choices?

Cases of pandemics like this makes whole society vulnerable which requires higher degree of responsibility than average person could afford with no some kind of enforcement. Even doctors themselves, who are telling us we should isolate as much as possible, do not go to office with no real need - what you think they do? They are flying around the world just to have a meeting which could be done on-line, sharing omicron there and bringing it to their countries. If you cannot believe, here is a proof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/israeli-doctor-believes-he-caught-omicron-variant-of-covid-in-london

>or is this just in one situation?

Currently in this one situation. But generally speaking tax paid HS does not work anyway. For the tax money they have grown enormously large bureaucratic structure which has the only purpose - prevent people from accessing their doctors. Just because doctor's salary is too big to let them work. Per each doctor they have dozens of employees who are busy with anything except treating patients, so probably a bit of healthy capitalism would help this system to improve when people will start voiting by their money for more adequate service. But this is future, now we need to stop C19 and this measure aiming only this at the moment.

>In any case it is a despicable reaction to other peoples' choice not agreeing with yours regardless their reasons.

It is not reaction to anybody's choice.

This is not true. You can read the latest workforce breakdown here:

Hmm... you're right, ratio is significantly lower:

• Consultants 3583
• Management & Administrative 21322
• Health & Social Care Professionals 18723 (also conistiting of managers and clerical)

( 18723 + 21322 ) / 3583 = 11.18

Sorry for rhetorical question, what managed you to attend that clinic instead of using tax pre-paid services? Only existence of such clinics on its own is sign that something wrong with the system paid from the tax, isn't it?

I’m not going to say that you are correct or incorrect about “knowing what the real numbers are”, but if it is the case that they are not-known, then the entire justification that the government has used for most of it’s covid based legislation over the past 12+ months would surely be put into question, if not completely crippled.

They point to “the numbers” as a basis for a lot of things that have been done or else promote a certain way for something to be done.

According to today's Examiner, 54% of admissions to icu between July and November we're unvaccinated. 92% had underlying conditions.

Seems to be the closest to an answer so far (unless I have picked it up wrong).

The vaccine registration for the 30-40 age bracket only started in July. You also need to factor in the low ICU admission figures up to September during which it was mainly younger people catching covid.

Until they start being transparent with the figures, there's not much point in reading too much into anything.

Why has the CSO shifted focus from the most recent two months, all the way back to July?

Who gives a **** about July?

What other preventable illnesses are there out there that are currently taking up 100% of ICU beds in some regional hospitals. 1 week ago all ICU beds in Drogheda were taken by Covid patients. Not 1 of those people were vaccinated. If there is a heart attack or car accident in Drogheda you will die because of selfish idiots who refuse to vaccinate.

So in answer to your question, yes refuse ICU beds to Covid non vaxxers, let the cancer patients, RTI victims, heart attack victims have them and people who care for their health and the health of their fellow citizens.

Surely the non-vaxxers cannot argue with this? After all the position they have taken is that the vaccine is more dangerous than the consequences. If the consequences of not taking a vaccine are not severe than it must follow that they believe they won't require an ICU.

but the vaccinated would be of similar age, so age is irrelevant, also vaccinated would have underlying health issues.

should they do?

the health system is providing a vaccine so as to reduce the stress, Should people not choose to not avail of it, why should the health system pick up their tab.

Absolutely if its Covid related he should be told where to go.

I think it's part of the "let everyone else die, especially if they have lived their natural life or obese" thing that some posters have going on and scream and shout when a mirror is shone upon them. It is weird.

We don't deny anyone treatment and the country is working it's hardest to keep it that way, which unfortunately means restrictions to try and limit infections.