Is communism as bad as people say

we ve clearly just taken a wrong turn with capitalism, it wasnt doing too bad before this turn, problematic of course, we clearly need to create a new form of capatalism, and fast, or we re probably fcuked!

i call bulls1t on this one, we ve reinvented capatalism many times, it can be done, we just need to have the will and just do it, many still dont realise and understand that we just took this wrong turn, you d be surprised by the amount of people that bring such arguments towards some baffling debates over captalism v's communism v's socialism v's........... we ve actually been encouraging this form of capitalism, willing it on, ever since its creation, its also disturbing to see the amount of people that beleive capitalism has always been like this, no it hasnt!

...but we re actually not, many have realised this situation, many are currently working on what we can do next, where we can go with this, where we want to go with this, and those numbers are actually growing, hopefully we can continue to grow these numbers, and just make it happen, humanity is highly dynamic, we re always in a constant state of flux and change

If you're referring to the "theory of Communism" in Marx and Engels, the rationales for resentment, mass lethal violence, abandonment of any ordinary morality in favour of class struggle etc are all baked into the cake.

The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, libertarian socialism would not be experienced as good "in practice" unless you jettison Marxism.

Also we seem to ignore how degraded we are in our system now, especially since 2020.

We have scapegoating, rule by decree, student fanatics using political ideology to drain joy from life, resentment, cancelling, lockdowns, "equity" (redistribution of wealth as 'racial justice' for crimes historical or imagined), demonisation of 'white males', exclusion of unvaccinated from parts of society, mass surveillance, digital lockout systems etc., etc.

There is nothing that can't be explained via cows.

This is especially to pi** off the greens.

WORLD IDEOLOGIES EXPLAINED BY REFERENCE TO COWS

FEUDALISM

You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

SOCIALISM

You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn

with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The

government gives you a glass of milk.

FASCISM

You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of

them, and sells you the milk.

PURE COMMUNISM

You share two cows with your neighbors. You and your neighbors bicker

about who has the most "ability" and who has the most "need". Meanwhile,

no one works, no one gets any milk, and the cows drop dead of

starvation.

RUSSIAN COMMUNISM

You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government

takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it

on the black market.

PERESTROIKA

You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the Mafia takes

all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it on the

"free" market.

STALIN'S COMMUNISM

There is a five year plan to agree how to deal with cows. The secret police take your two cows and leaves you to starve. If you disagree they shoot you and send your family to a gulag. The secret policemen are then shot by other secret policemen and the cows are shot because they saw it all.

(Btw this is my own one)

CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM

You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

DICTATORSHIP

You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

PURE DEMOCRACY

You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY

You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the

milk.

BUREAUCRACY

You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed

them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then

it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the

drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the

missing cows. HELLO EU.

CAPITALISM

You don't have any cows. The bank will not lend you money to buy cows,

because you don't have any cows to put up as collateral.

PURE ANARCHY

You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your

neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

ANARCHO-CAPITALISM

You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Irish Green Party (another one of my own)

All cows are got rid of because they create methane and are going to ruin the world. People can drink almond milk because it is vegan, even though almond production is huge drain on water resources around the world.

People can eat soya derivative products instead of beef even though soya is grown on land that was once rainforest. Anyway no one will be living in the countryside to raise cows as the countryside will be full of bears and wolves. Plus side is that the bears and wolves will have to start eating all those greens out cycling of a weekend.

Capitalism has been and is very successful. Never has life been better. That's not to say there isn't death disease and despair out there but there is relatively less than there has ever been. People's expectations have grown exponentially with humanity's success, so naturally we need to keep evolving to satiate our unstoppable greed. We are hitting issues with how sustainable our eco system is. We will adapt and overcome this too, even if we are all walking around in biohazard suits living on soilent green. Humans are very robust and adaptable, like big intelligent rats, we will always survive somewhere unless there is a cosmic event outside of our control.

theres a strong possibility our ego's of invincibility could becoming untrue!

Soylent green is people (ie. cannibalism). I wouldn't call becoming a cannibal and wearing a hazmat suit permanently overcoming and adapting.

All contemporary leftist political visions are wholly bleak and anti-utopian, and based on either catastrophising or systems of resentment leading to redistribution.

I don't think either democracies or capitalism is failing. I means look at the quality of life in western democracies, it's never been better. The noise is just that and at least if I hear some noise I know we have the freedom to express ourselves, even if I believe the content is mostly nonsense.

...and this is where the disconnect begins, western democracies have actually been in serious trouble, ever since the implementation of this form of capitalism, as we have gravitated towards more plutocratic rule and control throughout this period, and still are

define success?

...its amazing the amount of people that will jump in and announce all sorts of statements and logic, without actually being able to see whats occurring in reality, we ve clearly entered a period of capitalism thats highly dysfunctional, and not doing exact what it says on the tin, we re all starting to experience the almost exact same problems, highly dysfunctional property markets, to the point a growing number of people are simply unable to gain access to this critical need, and also highly dysfunctional health care systems, these two entities alone are a major sign, something isnt going right. a common failure in such debates is the default towards comparisons to the historical past, of which many of the facts shared, are actually true, but a severe inability to see our now reality!

I have several friends who lived under communism in different countries. Not one of them has a good thing to say about communism.

I agree that there is wealth inequality and a concentration of wealth is a huge problem but communism is not the answer.

I think that the answer to this problem is already known but it is too difficult for politicians to implement as it would lead to wealth flight.

Watch the documentary "Capital in the 21st Century" from. the book by Thomas Pinketty

The book's central thesis is that when the rate of return on capital (r) is greater than the rate of economic growth (g) over the long term, the result is concentration of wealth, and this unequal distribution of wealth causes social and economic instability. Piketty proposes a global system of progressive wealth taxes to help reduce inequality and avoid the vast majority of wealth coming under the control of a tiny minority.

However, at the end of 2014, Piketty released a paper where he stated that he does not consider the relationship between the rate of return on capital and the rate of economic growth as the only or primary tool for considering changes in income and wealth inequality. He also noted that r > g is not a useful tool for the discussion of rising inequality of labor income.[2]