TFI Fare Revisions from 28th November 2022 Including New 90 Minute Fare.

The annual tickets are problematic now that this new fare structure has been introduced because it doesn't make sense to have this mode-agnostic standard fare while having mode-specific monthly or annual tickets - it's just so inconsistent.

It did indeed, must have been something not updated fully yesterday

Yes, I know an example elsewhere where a return journey (identified by the moving direction back to the starting point direction) within the ticket validation time is being charged as a separate journey with an exception for orbital routes, as their end point is the same as the starting point. I was actually myself who got involved in the new fare system in my home country many years ago and made lots of trips trying to break the system and find the mistake. Me and other volunteers found lots of interesting cases which were quickly fixed before launching a new ticket fare. It looks that this was not testing in a real like environment in Dublin, sadly.

Thanks for all your obs re the return journey issue.

I also wonder does the driver validator/ticket machine give you a €0 ticket on the return journey (or any other short trip journey) since validating at RHS gives an automatic €2.30 fare?

That is why I noted that instead of using the driver machine for short hop, it seems better and cheaper to auto validate if making subsequent short or longer hop journeys.

I'm sure it will all become clearer in time.

Fairly sure I got overcharged the other day on a Leap fare that should have been the now "short zone" but wasn't.

But I can't find any way of checking what the actual correct fare between two stops is? The DB mobile website is a joke, and the desktop site keeps referring me to TFI for fare information and vice versa.

Is there anywhere that actually gives the correct fare information for a given journey?

The fares determination linked to in the OP states that "the new fares structure for Dublin ensures that distances travelled on the new short fare are approximately 3kms, which is slightly longer than the average distance possible on the existing 1-3 stage based fare on bus services. This also means that some customers who previously would have paid €2.25 on the 4-13 stage fare will now pay €1.60 for the same journey."

That would seem to indicate that the new short fare zone is not always the same as the previous 1-3 stage fare.

Happened again on Saturday night when the drive's machine wasn't working and they told me to use the right hand validator as the fare was the same. Fairly sure it wasn't. (And now I can't check it since the Leap card website has helpfully decided I don't have an account registered.)

Having been away from taxsaver this year due to the extension, I have been topping up 40 euro a fortnight and that's covered my trips for the 2 weeks.

Ive applied for the annual bus/rail/luas for 78 a fortnight for next year, and I have seen my first paycheck online for 2022. I am 12 euro worst off for the fortnight . I don't know whether it's due to changes to tax from the budget or not.

I'm not sure whether this 90 minute fare may have much impact for many 9-6 workers as they will still have to pay it twice in the workday , their shift wouldn't be enough for the 90 minutes.

But for me I'm glad I've put in for the taxsaver next year. 6 euro per week coupled with not having to topup will save me a couple of hundred.

So is it true that there is no "fare calculator" on DB at the moment? How does a passenger work out if they qualify for the short zone fare (3k) or not does anyone know? Just guess or measure on google maps or what lol! I'm referring to the latest roll out of Bus Connects and the new fare structure.

Happy Christmas, and as a bit of a lurker on this board I am grateful for the information given freely to those like myself who are often very confused!

Has anybody established if using a free transfer onto another mode of transport within 90 minutes has any impact on price capping on a Leap Card for the day or week? I would normally buy a taxsaver annual ticket in January, but haven't this year as (like I'm sure a lot of people) I had no idea when I'd be back in the office or how gradual the return would be.

For example - the majority of my commute home can be covered by Luas for the €2.30 fare, but in bad weather I could transfer at no additional cost within the 90 minutes to Dublin Bus, and that would spare me a 15/20 minute walk in the rain from the Luas stop to home.

My question arising from that - even though the transfer to Dublin Bus from Luas is within the 90 minutes, and covered by the €2.30 and therefore effectively free - have I just forced the price cap up on my Leap Card for the week?

The Luas price cap for the week is €27.50, whereas the multi-mode price cap is €40.

There's nothing apparent from the TFI Leap Card website that answers my question.

Thank you.

The problem with the €1.60 fare and the fact that the NTA have implemented the longer 3km journey for this fare category on the new routes is that people who previously would've paid the higher fare but who now qualify for the lower fare under the extended 3km range are in the habit of using the right-hand validator without driver interaction.

They should have implemented the 3km €1.60 fare throughout the entire network instead of this piecemeal approach coupled with new route launches. How the hell are they meant to inform passengers if they can't market the new fare structure and range because they're applying double standards across the network?