Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I have no idea where you are getting that figure of 55 deaths from. For October we had 117,412 new cases. If that is the figure you are using then we should of had 5,870 deaths,

Comparing new cases to deaths for January 2021 and October 2021 shows a 13% increase in cases yet a 255% reduction in deaths where we do not know how many of those deaths for October were not vaccinated. How do you explain that reduction in deaths with a higher number of cases if it is not due to vaccines ?

I am only going off what you posted.

The claim is vaccines are 95% effective against death.

If having nearly 100% of people vaccinated in the age cohorts who die from covid is 255% less (2.5times) than previously in January 2021 when almost nobody was vaccinated then the vaccine isn't 95% effective as claimed.

255% reduction =/= 95% effectiveness in the numbers YOU gave.

95% effectiveness on Januarys numbers 1081 deaths is = to 54.05 Deaths. That is what would be expected with a 95% reduction due to vaccine effectiveness.

Even if we accounted for the 13% increase in cases that would only be = 61.07 deaths. IF the vaccine was 95% effective in October.

255% reduction means the vaccine is only 39.13% effective in the cohorts of people who will die from covid.

So either we are over counting covid deaths (very likely) or the vaccine in your example isn't 95% effective against death.

Their is also the possibility that delta is more transmissible but less deadly.

We have to look at the people who are dying of covid. of which the vast majority of them are vaccinated.

Micheal Martin - Said the banks weren't bailed out.

Leo - Is under investigation and was recently hanging out in a country that persecutes homosexuality

Eamon Ryan - Yeah...

Donnelly - A walking contradiction

Tony Holohan - Full of lies and assumptions, has no plan whatsoever and is seemingly trying to play a political game of power here. And I'll leave it there. We all know the score with him

Philip Nolan - Chap couldn't build a train set model. Apparently according to this guy, this was coming close to the end some weeks back?

Luke O'Neill - Loves getting his face and his guitar out there, talking all sorts of rubbish and making claims that never come to fruition.

Yet, there are people here who trust these individuals? That applaud these individuals and think they're being up front and doing a good job? Despite the fact that the people they call "nutjobs" and "conspiracy theorists" have actually been right in a lot of cases by comparison. They welcome the restrictions on Children, news brought to them by RTE and yet, they sit in on a Friday night applauding and lapping up an RTE studio full of kids, all mingling and interacting 😁

But then I realise that we live in a society that got Donald Trump into the most powerful position in the world so, it shouldn't surprise me.

There are people here, logged on and posting from the first thing in the morning until the last thing at night, arguing with the same people, backing the Government and Tony Holohan and his cronies to the hilt, no matter what and then shifting the goalposts when they've been proved wrong. Insanity!

I am not anti vax before anyone says it. I am fully vaxxed and I am not someone who thinks they're trying to resurrect Nazism or whatever. However, I am someone who can clearly see that these people some of you have faith in, haven't got a clue what they're doing and who are ruining people's mental capacity, livelihoods and culture of this country. I haven't seen a friend in nearly two years, won't leave the house...

Why?

"Because Tony says so"

Some legacy that...

Except the Irish health system which collapsed years ago, I don't see any health system overwhelmed at the moment in Europe.

France, UK, Germany are living their best lives with everything opened, indoor events, Christmas markets, while we are having one more winter with no big event. Their healthcare systems are more than able to handle the current covid patients numbers.

Paul Reid comes and say that this is the worse situation since the beginning of the pandemic with <600people in hospital vs. 2000 last January. Why is that ? Because the HSE stopped putting the money and pay private hospitals to take their patients. There has been 0euro invested to improve the system in 1.5years of pandemic.

It is an Irish healthcare crisis, not a pandemic issue. There were 700 people in trolleys in 2019. If we'll have restrictions until the hospitals are able to deal with covid patients, we can wait 5-10years more.

As I have already said to you you cannot dismiss the effectiveness of vaccines simply based on those who have died in October when you do not know the numbers who did so that were unvaccinated.

I have seen nothing to suggest the Delta virus is less deadly. So unless you do, then I cannot see where a 13% increase in cases with a 255% reduction in deaths (while not knowing how many of those who died were unvaccinated) is due to anything other than vaccines. From your reply it seems neither do you.

I also think that there is some spread in schools, it would be crazy to suggest otherwise. However, NPHET have been saying for months now that schools were safe with a sudden change in direction to now saying we need to curb children's contacts.

I think a healthy debate would be a welcomed change to the current environment whereby one can't bring up any issue without being called some sort of a lunatic or crank.

The major issue I have with this government and NPHET is that they are very quick to bring in new measures but very slow to lift them again. They hid behind an abundance of caution all summer when we could have been way more open from an earlier date. That would have bought some more buy in from the general population for when the inevitable increasing of restrictions came in this winter.

How is that supposed to work from the North.

As I said earlier, it has all the hall marks of trying to curtail Christmas spread associated with people returning for the holidays. As if we are some sort of covid free area!

So after all the pearl clutching hasn't worked you're just sticking to the "Isn't very effective" line at this point and pointing at some vague notion that the governments want to keep us locked down forever I guess? Are you annoyed the virus doesn't do what it's told and go away in October? Care to elaborate a bit more? Omicron could f*ck up all current plans around the world in response to the virus, hopefully it doesn't.

Great post!!

Brilliantly said!!

When found, the people with this condition probably shouldn't be vaccinated (depending on severity of reaction) with any vaccines, these are the unwillingly unvaccinated and the group that everyone else tries to protect by getting vaccinated themselves.

Their exposure to the diseases is also usually quite severe due to a malfunctioning immune system.

yes that can happen, I have a relative who tested positive for a month after his initial positive. He was being tested in order to be moved into a nursing home, and was stuck in hospital until he tested negative.

Well this woman was vaccinated. What’s the guidance for people with severe autoimmune disease, given that they tend to co-occur? There’s no guidance, that’s why people are distrustful.