Looking for stats on % of unvaccinated people in ICU with underlying conditions

One thing I find hard to believe is people with conditions, over 50ish, are not getting vaccinated.

People under 40, completely healthy, not availing of the vaccine, I get that. But over 50 odd. Not a beacon of health. Its not making sense to me.

1) Why are you conflating "underlying conditions" with immunocompromised. They are not the same thing. Your immune system may well be able to fight off the virus all else equal, but the rest of your body might not be up to the task of surviving long enough to allow it to do so!

2) Why are you ignoring that simple fact that many of the unvaccianted, even with underlying conditions, would not have caught the virus, and even if they had, would not have ended up in ICU, had they chosen to be vaccinated.

Let's take another analogy (made up figures). Suppose we look at the last 100 cases of people who died in car accidents. We find that say 50% of them were wearing seat belts and 50% were not. Then we see that 80% of them were driving cars and 20% were in the passenger seat. Applying similar logic to yours, you would conclude that because 80% of the people who died were driving cars anyway, that there is no point wearing a seatbelt if you are a driver.

(To explain the analogy explicitly for anyone confused: "wearing seatbelt" = vaccinated. "not wearing seatbelt" = unvaccinated. "driving car" = underlying condition, "passenger seat" = no underlying condition )

You seem to be approaching this from a blame perspective.

Flipping the argument around, assuming that hospitals are applying all reasonable infection control measures, then they are on receiving end of lack of infection control in the community.

This is an argument I have seen from healthcare professions: "we are doing everything we can but it's incredibly frustrating to see people refusing to take reasonable precautions", e.g. vaccination or wearing masks on public transport.

Everyone has a moral responsibility to take reasonable measures to help control infection in a pandemic.

FWIW I'm not in favour of masks in primary school either. Or secodary school, for that matter. Maybe I'm contradicting myself, but why should school kids wear masks when people are drinking and dancing in pubs and nightclubs without them?

This sh!t again. You can't "shed virus" if you're not infected, and vaccination reduces the probability of being infected.

i'm not conflating them

i was speaking on immunocompromised as that was the topic the minister spoke of . Sorry if there was confusion

If you want to be able to choose not to participate and you refuse to take the vaccine to help society, then society should be allowed to put you to the back of the cure for medical help when you get it.

Segregate medical facilities. Put aside 6% of ICU beds for those who choose to be unvaccinated. Because it is statistically a self-inflicted condition. There was a tweet on the other page that 35% in ICU are vaccinated. Given that the vaccinated are about 16x the unvaccinated, then reduce the 65% to the equivalent of 3% (which is nearly 50% more than they should get pro-rated). Or only allow one-in-twelve of those an ICU bed and leave the other eleven in the carpark. ICU capacity problem solved

We shouldn't be taking resources from other services for other patients (cancer etc.) to waste on the scroungers. If we could avoid that, then we wouldn't need the same restrictions in day-to-day life.

You start with junk, then you apply junk logic to it. Are you not embarrassed that you can't understand it still?

I used your assumptions. Tell me why the "Chelsea Fans" have an 11x probability of ending up in ICU once everyone is vaccinated 🤣

If everyone is vaccinated, why would 38/88 in ICU come from 6% of the population when there was nothing else to distinguish them from the other 94% which contribute 50/88

Who ever said they weren't entitled to the same?

I said they were entitled to the same. They are not entitled to extra. Pro-rated is fair. 6% of the population get 6% of the ICU covid beds put aside for them and 94% of the population get 94% of the ICU covid beds put aside for them

Make your choice and accept the consequences. You can't get fairer than that

Man, I'm embarrassed for you.

Use a different label if the "soccer" confuses you. Call 6% redheads and 94% brunettes.

The 6% currently supply 50% to ICU (under your assumptions - not mine. The real number is higher). The 94% supply 50% to ICU.

Your assertion is that were the 6% to get vaccinated, they would instead supply 43% to ICU. And the other 94% would now supply 57%. Even though they are now equal in terms of covid protection.

I've heard it reported that certain groups are more likely not to be vaccinated. Including those with poorer grasp of English and Irish travellers. It'd be interesting to know if they are over represented in hospital and ICU wards due to Covid. And if so, what is being done about it.

It'd be interesting to know if the HSE is actively addressing these groups. It's always dangerous to fingerpoint at minority groups...but if the rest of us are doing our bit and they ain't. Well there needs to be a crackdown.

The foreign-born stuff is interesting. Perhaps we need to look at an EU-wide campaign by the ECDC that offers local information to expats. So a Polish person listening to Polish radio hears an ECDC ad about the vaccine and is directed to a website that contains information in Polish that tells them how to get vaccinated (as well as all the other health measures) in Ireland?

The 2016 census indicated that just under half a million people were foreign-born and spoke a foreign language at home. 83% of these reported being able to speak English "very well", but as the article above points out, they may still listen almost exclusively to their home media.

Seems like a strong push to get the message out to them could yield good results.