Slurry pits

Why would you want to map a slurry tank and why would we want you doing it ?

it’s not like anyone will want to find their way to it ?

IMO a wolf in sheep's clothing sponsored by Corporate entities that will exploit our personal data. Curtilage covers our house, farmyard, outbuildings, entrances and land and therefore no corporate body has the right to access/use our information. I have no issue with the OPW/Ordnance Survey Ireland (State institutions) publishing, upgrading historic and local features in and around our farm. However I won't accept stuff like OP's post.

https://sensiblecode.io/

I'm a member of the OpenStreetMap Ireland board and appreciate the feedback shared on this thread to date.

A couple of clarifications:

- There is no cost to contribute to OpenStreetMap or utilise the data available as a result of the project. The only requirement is to provide attribution if data is utilised.

- We do encourage contributors and data users to join the global OpenStreetMap Foundation and/or OpenStreetMap Ireland as a means to guide the direction of project and the activities undertaken. The fee charged for being a member of OpenStreetMap Ireland covers administrative costs for the community, events, and tools that have been deployed for use by the community.

- While it's possible the data can be misused for criminal behaviour, the satellite coverage used by mappers is freely available and could be used for the same purpose. Additional annotations may reveal data that may be sensitive though so the community are always open to feedback regarding this.

- The main driver behind the establishment of the Irish community is to promote and educate people about the benefits of open map data. It also provides a means to identify issues like this and come to a consensus that is agreeable to all parties. There is a strong belief that having a diverse set of mappers from different backgrounds will lead to greater discussion and education possibilities within communities as well as improved maps.

If I can be of any further help, please feel free to reach out via > board AT openstreetmap.ie <

I've no particular issue with mapping and we have all come to depend on different mapping services, many of us use software on the farm whether we all know it or not that depends on API's from various sources such as google maps, mapbox, OSI etc. It is one thing that the entire country is photographed from above but another entirely when individuals are publicly labelling features on our private property for all to see.

Where is the line drawn on what is acceptable? Slurry towers may be easily identifiable on satellite maps (or mistaken for horse walkers) but what next? Identifying types of animal houses on farms could be useful information for activists. Thieves could be interested in buildings labelled workshop or secure or in identifiable fixed assets on land such as pumps, gates, drinkers, solar installations etc.

What possible good can be provided by publicly labelling every feature on our farms? Other than being a tool for certain anti-farming groups and criminals? The EPA, DFAM and OSI already have fairly comprehensive mapping and relevant information available. We also have many mapping software packages available to us using many of the available map API's but with our asset labels kept private.

Jesus fuckin Christ. I just typed in machinery shed. So I can use this to find machinery sheds near me? Well that’s a great service. It’ll be very handy for some people to have this when exploring yards in the dark...

You'd feel like building a v2 rocket site.

God be the ones that have their sites purposely blurred.

Thanks for the reference to the V2, I actually grew up in the town where they built them. Always great fun to joke about the terrors of war.

Anyway, I've fixed the tagging for the machinery shed. Mappers are not supposed to use the name tag, but instead use descriptive tags, which I have done now, so all the buildings that are not houses are tagged as building=farm_auxiliary, because that's the best we can do from satellite imagery. You will notice (possibly after refreshing) that the name labels are gone.

You can look up the official tags for farm buildings on the openstreetmap wiki. Unfortunately, I cannot post a link, but maybe my fellow board member will.

Is it possible to "haze/fuzz out" sites on open street map?

Easier look for forgiveness than permission I guess.

This whole imagery ownership should be seriously looked at. What's the difference whether someone is on the ground with a camera or drone or satellite and claiming ownership of an image?

But anyway is it possible to haze out sites?

You do get why property and business owners would like to keep building uses to themselves for commercial and security reasons.

What's the point in any business owner putting screening up around their business premises if a satellite imagery company then identifies what each building is used for?

As a lot of posters have already posted. Outside of the business owner, business inspectors and state bodies. Nobody else should know.

This seems legally on very shaky ground to do with someone's property on a public and corporate membership website.

Thanks for the links, going by your own rules, I've noted a few points.

Who's Consensus, we certainly have concerns?

Most Farms in this country are residential farms i.e. where people live.

How is consensus in the community gauged? How many farmers/ rural dwellers were consulted?

Often no boundary between backyards and farmyards especially on older and/or smaller holdings

It is also my opinion that there are too many options here, in recent years farms in this country particularly poultry and pig farms have been targeted by activists, why is it necessary for a street map to distinguish between farm building types? I think this in particular is a genuine security concern.

building=barn is a building used for storage and as a covered workplace.
building=stable identifies a building as a stable for horses.
building=sty is used if pigs are kept.
building=cowshed is a building for cows.

Don't believe openstreetmap actually serves any imagery, but I still can't see it being OK to map our building use in what is essentially our back gardens.

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If Sean Quinn has the right to be forgotten, surely our farmyards can be. Would be interesting approach to take of some of your property has been marked

It's not about buildings being on maps, it's about advertising what is inside them and having it searchable to everyone including criminals. Maybe you'd like your garage labeled as full of tools?

We are well aware of various mapping software and are users of many services which you would see if you had read any of the previous posts.