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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,801 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I have children in primary school, no mention of any cases.



  • Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Guy I work with 26 cases in his daughters class in school



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    I work in two primary schools 2 known cases between them since September!

    No staff in either want any more closures!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭daheff


    I don't disagree with you. I'm saying what I think will happen


    Teachers unions will say it's too risky for face to face teaching and will look to stop it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen


    We'd 6 teachers out today isolating.

    I know of another school where it's 3rd 5th and 6th years in only. The rest were advised to stay home.


    It wont be COVID that'll close schools it'll be because of teachers... who have to stay out, for some reason we cant talk about .


    Are there many teachers out in yeer schools?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen


    My money is on another cancelled junior cycle...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Wouldn't surprise me. Maybe they'll take the opportunity to scrap the whole mess.

    I can't see unions calling for school closures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    We have one teacher out with covid, two more out sick, not sure what the story is there, another has taken paternity leave, not sure if there is a sub to cover his classes or if it will be just S&S. We don't really have the bodies to cover much more, if anyone else goes, we'll probably have to leave one or two year groups at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen


    They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they did.

    Just let it happen naturally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What a ridiculously misleading thread title. You would think of all places this forum would understand what a ? is for



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Says the guy who ends a sentence with a preposition.

    Scarlet for thou.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Not sure why people are saying "schools shouldn't close" and "no staff want them to close".

    I have not met a single person who would disagree with those comments. Don't know why people feel the need to make them as if to imply that anyone who suggests schools might close wants them to close.

    But I think people need to stop making a connection between apparent school-based infections and the open/shut status of schools. The government has never and will never acknowledge schools as a risky environment. The 5-12 year old group is one of the key groups where infection is spreading yet the government is letting them not wear masks and advising about play dates etc. but under no circumstances can any suggestion of spread in schools be countenanced politically. The government has put too much store in "successfully opening schools" for that to ever happen.

    Schools will close as part of a general lockdown if it happens in order to prevent people having reasons to wander about meeting randomers every day. Apparent low cases in schools (and it is apparent as we're not even being told anymore) guarantees nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    No, they won't close schools. The government also know that by and large anyone under the age of 18 has a mild case of covid if they are infected and a few days later they are back to normal. So it makes no odds to them if every child in the country gets covid, because by and large those children will not end up in hospital. Not saying that's how it should play out, but that's the reality of what is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen


    It's just the kids passing it onto adults is the thing.

    I know being vaccinated does seem to help if you catch it , but there are still a number who aren't... who are also taking up beds in ICU.

    I heard on the radio this week someone's Chemotherapy was cancelled due to pressure on hospital staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You might well be right that they won't close schools. Time will tell.

    Where I think are very wrong is in the assumption that the decision will relate to how the infection affects under 18s.

    The school closures last January/February related to the overwhelming of the hospitals. Any closing down of society will again be decided by that metric alone.

    All users of night-clubs are mandated to be vaccinated (albeit waning vaccinations) and are probably young, healthy, and in theory less vulnerable to the extreme impact of Covid. Yet, the government has restricted that area and will do so some more very soon.

    Young healthy people might not suffer bad effects as you say but they spread the infection very effectively as they are at their most social and mobile at that age. Areas where they find themselves might well be identified as a likely key source of infection. The average nursing home resident might be more vulnerable than anyone in a school or nightclub but they won't be spreading it around the community either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    Yes..... up with that we should not put...

    Pot calling kettle black.....

    Never mind school closure, somebody call the grammar inspectors!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We now have eight staff positive.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Second level here. I hope they do close again. But I'd like to see them close on 17th - that means taking the 20th - 22nd off. At least create the opportunity for people to self-isolate ahead of Christmas Day, but also don't wait until the 11th hour to announce it as parents need notice.

    Those 3 days of missed face-to-face contact time could consist of some form of remote catch-up provision where teachers log on to their classes but rather than covering any new material, they can go over the most confused points from the Christmas exams that would have been held prior to that (or something similar)

    Would actually be more productive than the 3 days of Christmas jumpers and festive films that will end up happening that week anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Jesus are you primary or secondary? I just can't see being open in January even from a staffing perspective!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭snor


    8 staff out in our place too. Student Absenteeism (secondary) is running 17-20% each day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Wow that is a lot. I did the numbers there and in my place, that we know of, we have 2% absence due to Covid

    Big school, though not sure that makes a difference to the stat

    I have to say, we are doing quite alright with subs - all those extra hours given to schools mean we have loads of strange faces about the place, which has really been great because with more subs, the S&S pressure is really off those of us teaching full timetables and I find that lovely. A real reprieve. I've done one cover class since Sep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Talk from the principal that it might be possible.


    Real concern is that the 5 day at home rule is taking out a lot of teachers



    If the staff aren't there...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Treppen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Secondary. But we still have 90+ staff, so it wont impact us too much. But today a load of kids are out. Not just Covid, you'd nearly forget the winter usuals are also around.


    Edit: two of the eight are back tomorrow as their isolation time is up.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭snor


    We’re a big school too - 900. In Dublin so difficult to get subs. Cannot leave students unattended in science labs, practical rooms etc and cannot double up classes so it’s a real struggle when we don’t have the staff to cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭Quandary


    All community transmission I'd say. I'm pretty sure inside a school building is the only place Covid is unable to spread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    How is s and s holding up? That'll be a pinch point pretty quickly too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭snor


    Put it this way, even when you are time tabled free with no class, s and s etc, you feel guilty having a ‘free’ class and will avoid the staff room.



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