Heavyweight Boxing

Remarkable how being KO'd after 35 years of age and 15 years as a pro is somehow used as a barometer to judge one (and only one) great fighter's prime, but every excuse under the sun is used to explain Mike Tyson being past his prime when getting KTFO'd at TWENTY THREE years of age.

Let's all play pretend.

Double standards at it's very worst!

We can only go on what ex fighters say, what you are saying can not be proved, you are speculating about what they actually might think. I take them at face value. I just think if usyk beats joshua again, fury needs usyk, thats his legacy secured.

In fairness Fury has taken dangerous fights (relative to his standing at the given time).

I remember the first Chisora fight in 2011, thinking what was he doing here. At the time he'd had 13 or 14 fights. This was the Chisora who had yet to fight Vitali and Haye. Say what we want about Chisora but that's a risky fight.

The Wilder I fight was the ultimate risk. Like some others on here I don't harp on about him being 28/30 stone like it's some kind of virtue. But it is what it is, a risky fight.

You can throw a lot of stuff at Fury but he has taken risks and has consistently got the result on the big night.

As for being unrealistic and demanding 50/50 with AJ? Feck that, I would aswell. The man in me would look for that, in his eyes he was still lineal champ, the man who beat the man. He didn't have a promoter to protect him from sanctioning bodies demanding mandatories be fulfilled (IBF belt was basically stripped right away) .

No surprise Hearn couldn't agree with Wilder or Fury, considering the fella probably wanted lions share for his paper champ, rematch clauses and even the lions share in the rematch. That's how they operate. So it was great that Fury and Wilder made their own trilogy and in the mean time the "champ" Got found out all by himself against Ruiz and Usyk.

I think this vindicated Fury if it is a case he wouldn't accept being the b-side.

He's not getting at you. He posts here once in a blue moon, and all to get a swipe at me for whatever beef he has...never direct quotes me, but subtly has a go in his posts/replies.

Either that, or thanks any posters that disagree and debate me...

Just on Roy and his prime and Mike and his prime...both excellent fighters at prime....

Neither are GOAT for me.

Its very hard to tell you could be right & Roy done a great job of keeping that chin hidden but some fighters age worse than others & there chin's go ,

Has Roy ever spoke about it

Yes I agree, but if Mike never fought again after prison and Jones retired after Tarver 1 or even Tarver 2 then they would be high up in the GOAT conversation for me. In fact Roy would be the GOAT in that circumstance.

I wasn't picking you out. And in fairness to you, you obviously appreciate Roy Jones' greatness.

My gripe is how what Roy Jones did at 35+ is used to demean what he did in his actual prime years. Nobody gives Sugar Ray Robinson any grief for his 19 losses. Why? Because most of them occurred when he was well past his best. Same with Ali, Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc. Sadly, boxing is littered with similar examples of greats who just couldn't stay away. And in the main, reasonable people don't hold that against them. They remember them at their best. So why is it different for Roy Jones?

The whole 'he had a bad chin all along' type thinking is so unrealistic it's hard to fathom. Hiding a bad chin for 15 years is simply not possible!

People really need to think about that last sentence.

For the record I believe Roy Jones was the greatest boxer to ever lace gloves.

squinn2912,

Personally the greatest fighting talent I have ever seen in action is James Toney

He had everything. Chin, stamina, IQ, toughness, ring smarts, infighting, mid fighting, and all the intangibles. Skills you cannot teach..

and utterly fearless. Didn’t give a fook. No airs or graces. Just a badass

The most unstoppable/unknockoutable fighter ever..

born fighter Toney: Jones was more an athletic marvel.

Jones was not that fighter for me. He was clean knocked out by single type shots several times.

as for other point. Not my gripe at all. A poster has beef with me, so much so he had to let it all out. You’d need to ask him. I’m fine n dandy!

Next to no idea why anyone would get so would up or irritated on an Internet forum simply agreeing:disagreeing:debating. Pathetic!

Yes. Toney isn’t as known as many others, of course.

But his skills and intangibles and iron will/toughness and resiliency are off the charts.

and he fought anyone and everyone. Circa 90 fights and on the floor once. Never stopped or knocked out.

Pathetic/peculiar…whatever.

Completely out of the blue. I don’t know this poster. All I know is that he’s a longtime poster who rarely posts lately. Had plenty back and forth, plenty agreements/disagreements, but nothing really uncivil; much the same as me and you, or me and others.

then for weeks/months the indirect posts aimed at me or thanks to posters dissing/disagreeing with me, and then the full on rant from yesterday..not my grievance/issue. I just post here because I love boxing and views and opinions on it. And I never take it personally when other opinions/views are not the same as mine. He obviously did, as well as speaking for other posters that used to post regularly, but now seem not to because of me. Absolute horseshit.

Really depends on what you're into though.

RJJ is one of my favourite fighters ever. Suspect chin yes, but to do what he did with a bad chin is magic too.

Has the W over Toney in the mid 90s aswell.

Many rds in Tiberi fight very close/competitive..anyway, big deal. One fight out of 90 or so..