Acceptable Covid death rates

Do you have any sources to cite for your claim that hand washing "helps not at all with covid"?

(Apart from a post on facebook)

Hopefully everyone who can safely do so will get vaxxed they will need a booster shot too I understand not everyone can get vaccinated for medical reasons maybe some people will have to stay at home or away from shops or keep social distancing for along time to come eg older people with underlying medical conditions

The government has no choice but to loosen restrictions open up pubs theatres etc in order to keep the economy going

Everything is preventable in hindsight. What happened in nursing homes is multifactoral, and isn't something that only occurred in Ireland. It's not as simple as "If they hadn't done X, nursing homes would have been safe". Nursing homes across the western world were ravaged by this. Because nursing homes for various reasons are a hotbed when it comes to diseases. Residents to staff to residents to staff, it's a close and intimate environment, moreso even than hospitals.

In Spain, some nursing homes suffered staff shortages so drastic that patients were left to fend for themselves and corpses were left in their beds.

When the call came in on 12th March 2020 to shut down all public offices and schools, as part of that was activated a massive lockdown process across the hospitals within the country. Every hospital in the country was directed to discharge as many patients as humanly possible. Anyone who didn't absolutely need to be in a hospital and wasn't symptomatic, was discharged. Where someone might spend a week in hospital following major surgery, they were out after 3 days once they were stable. For personal reasons I happened to be in hospitals that day, I witnessed this play out in real time. The A & E in the Mater hospital was empty. Empty corridors, spare beds, no visitors hanging around.

The question of what to do with older people is always hard. They are by nature more frail and at risk when you move them, but the decision was made that the lesser of two evils was to send them to their nursing homes where they can receive appropriate care, rather than keep them in hospital and risk contracting covid. Patients who were not symptomatic and did not have a positive test for covid, were discharged to their nursing homes.

No doubt some of these brought covid back. Did they all? Of course not. Was the right call made to shift vulnerable people out of hospitals? I think so, based on what we knew about covid at the time. Knowing what we know now, those patients should have gone into a two-week isolation period when transferred back. But that may not even be practical.

Even if those patients hadn't been moved, covid would still have gotten into nursing homes. Via staff, and visitors. And it would still have ravaged them. When you have a highly contagious virus that is very dangerous to very frail people and you gather all your very frail people together in a single place, it is inevitable that those places are going to be hit hard.

They frequently do lower speed limits when stretches of road are shown to be dangerous. They also reduced allowed blood alcohol limits over time too.

I didn't see anything on this thread where someone suggested there should be full isolation for everything and everyone - just that people should follow existing regulations and procedures as they stand. There might have been one or two that expressed a preference for nightclubs being closed, but that was again in the context of images of flagrant breaches of current guidelines

You know you have lost an argument when, in order to try to rebut it to any extent, you have to try to change it to an absurd version that nobody ever stated. Look, I can do it too "Should we ignore covid and just refuse medical treatment to anyone who catches it? Absolutely no restrictions and no public expenditure allowed? I mean if we are going for the protection of civil liberties for everyone else"

You should have your findings published as soon as possible. A quick google search shows plenty of papers in peer-reviewed publications and journals focusing the importance and effectiveness of handwashing in the prevention of Covid. I can't find one that states it has little or no effect. I did ask you to cite a reference but you didn't give you.

Who would have thought it? All those eejits who study and research this for a living were wrong and some poster on an internet message board was able to figure out they were all wrong

guidelines that have no impact on the spread of the virus.

There is no evidence that outdoor transmission is a significant driver of virus spread in the community - its equivalent to a 30km speed limit on a dual carriageway. Are people who exceed that putting lives at risk? I dont think so

Feel free to present your medical qualifications given that you are contradicting prevailing medical advice. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find some quack somewhere with Dr in their name that spouts some crap on youtube but, in the alternative that you are not qualified yourself, if you have any peer reviewed sources, please pass them on.

Conservative estimates put outdoor transmission at less than 10%, more targeted studies suggest a figure closer to 1-2% of cases to be contracted outdoors, if not less.

Most of the studies involve people who would have met mostly outdoor, but also indoor for brief periods (building sites, recreational camps) so its impossible to rule out the indoor transmission in these scenarios also, hence the conservative higher estimates that may well be lower.

and

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/224/5/925/6291889

No doubt you'll feel aggrieved by this information, so feel free to present your medical qualifications given that you are contradicting prevailing medical advice. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find some quack somewhere with Dr in their name that spouts some crap on youtube but, in the alternative that you are not qualified yourself, if you have any peer reviewed sources, please pass them on.