Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

That your posting style is intentionally and maliciously obtuse to try and bait others into replying to your bad faith arguments

But wasn't Brexit sold by Vote Leave and the right wing press as providing immediate and obvious benefits to all Leave voters?

Daniel Hannan's Brexit prediction article spoke of rapid changes to the British economy and society, almost from the moment the UK leaves - financial services booming, fall in fuel prices, influx of high skilled workers from the EU, increased productivity, increased household incomes, UK universities flourishing, multiple new free trade deals. This wasn't long term, but the immediate 'Brexit benefits' that the UK would see the moment it quits the union.

Brexit UK would be seen as the gold standard for 'sovereign and independent' nations, the one that everyone wants to invest in, move to and do business with.

"Brexit may affect the economy badly but it may not. My view is that it is simply too early to tell"

Nonsense you have your mind well made up on the glories of Brexit. All your posts and regurgitations of Tory propaganda show you to be fully wrapped up in the "groupthink"of the Brexiters.

You avoid any topic that might put a dent in your glorious Brexit and just throw out the same tired nonsense about how it's supposedly as bad here as in the UK

There's no independent anything coming. The Tories will drag out discussions for as long as they can. Dancing around a response. They need this figmented argument to continue in the news cycle, it's to take the noise of the daily death rates away . On to whatever the next big news they can use to deflect. The Tories only plan is to stay in power that's it nothing more . Not sorting the countries problems . They quite literally could not care . Not a bit.

I at this point find it hilarious that there are posters on here defending this all as some sort of master plan. It's not, none of it.

Again, nobody is arguing that Brexit is sending the British economy back to the stone age ('doomed'). That's a complete straw man. The group think, much like the group think around gravity and evolution, is that excising your economy from all the markets around you - having spent 40 years making connections with them - is bad for your economy and will set you back substantially. And the evidence that this is true is there in abundance.

Speaking as someone who was present throughout the - as John Major put it - "squalid" Brexit campaign and who walked into a voting booth regards the matter, the only Leave campaigner to say anything about Brexit not delivering instant nirvana/gratification to the masses was Rees Moggs with a belated off-the-cuff comment about the country needing to wait maybe fifty years "or so" to see any _possible_ benefit from Brexit. The rest of it was all instant gratification promises.

when you listen to Frost and the DUP they have a point,Brexit has been shown to have absolutely no economic upside so the only gain they can focus on is regaining their sovereignty.What the protocol signals is that NI can have a vastly inferior version of EU membership if they accept some EU jurisdiction,not a good look for the sponsors of the brexit fiasco,They would prefer to have NI in the same mess as England ,Scotland & Wales and take their chances with a border in Ireland,Not my view but understandable from their POV.

A fair few on here were salivating over the idea that Brexit would bring about Irexit which is why they are on here now desperately crying for the end of the NIP and telling us the HGV problem is worldwide

Back in the days of Carson and Craig the last thing they wanted was Westminster paying any attention to the barely democratic gerrymandered state that the UUP ruled.

The current crop would have agreed to Brexit no matter the cost to look like good Englanders

What I find interesting is that I think there is a reasonable chance (maybe 40%?) that the UK will go trade war here (and eventually they will lose any trade war) yet sterling doesn't seem to price any of this in.

I don't know, don't follow what the currencies are doing but maybe it is hard for people to accept things are getting that bad (?) and surely something must come along to reestablish sanity/normality or else that all of this is just tactics on the UK part and it will be resolved.

I think the UK can still lose a trade dispute with the EU (in sense of its economy being badly damaged, and criticism for the situation being heaped on them by US) while not backing down here. I am not in the UK but I get impression the govt. may be able to get enough people to rally round the flag against the external enemies "bullying the UK" and accept hardships if the worst comes to the worst.

It does give an indication of just how bonkers the whole British Eurosceptic movement was. Hannan was no mere bit part player, but instead set up both the ERG and Vote Leave. That a movement with such obvious cranks and fantasists at the helm could win a referendum takes some believing. These guys would be your equivalent of the anti-vaxxers and anti-lockdown brigade in Ireland (Gemma, J. Waters etc).