Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

pixelburp · 16-09-2021 4:40pm

Tangential to Trump, somewhat, but the GOP's recall attempt to dislodge Gavin Newsom has failed specularly in California; their great hope was a real Trumpist in Larry Elder who, of course, immediately starting claiming election shenanigans. Seems like this is the GOP playbook for the time being: if we didn't win, it was rigged.

Apparently this recall election will cost the state $300 million (so much for the party of fiscal conservatism), while Newsoms offence to justify the recall was IIRC visiting a posh restaurant while publicly asking for restraint. Shítty double standards, but also depressingly common across the globe at the time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/gavin-newsom-california-recall/index.html

amandstu · 16-09-2021 4:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900144#Comment_117900144

Herself?

Quin_Dub · 16-09-2021 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900322#Comment_117900322

To be fair to Elder , whilst he did start the "Voter Fraud" guff even before the election actually happened , he did concede pretty early and with reasonably good grace.

Which is more than can be said of Katlyn Jenner who went off on one having garner less than 1% of the vote.

salmocab · 16-09-2021 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900594#Comment_117900594

My understanding of the recall system is if the recall is successful then whoever gets the most votes wins. So a governor could lose with say 49% on the recall and his replacement might only get 20% of the vote for governor. Whoever came up with that system if my understanding is correct is an idiot.

Itssoeasy · 16-09-2021 7:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117901030#Comment_117901030

What you wrote @salmocab is also my understanding of how the California system works, and like you I can’t understand how this system is good. Firstly, I’m of the belief that a politician should be held accountable at the scheduled election(which is next year in California btw) and not at the whim of their opponents. Secondly, the fact it’s a simple majority for the highest office in a state such as California again strikes me as ridiculous. And despite some of what I’ve listened to, the win for the democrats, doesn’t mean trumpism is gone away. Trumpism whether the democrats want to admit it is here for the foreseeable future.

Rjd2 · 16-09-2021 9:58pm

The recall system is fine and rarely used. Those sulking about it I assume were dead quiet when it was used on Scott Walker.

Elder should not have been on the ballot, black boomer Trump is not a good fit for California.

Its a reminder how skilled Manchen, Collins, Hogan etc are winning elections they have no right to.

hcf500 · 17-09-2021 1:38pm

Just came across this clip of President Biden. Its only 50 seconds long. Well worth a watch. Its easy to understand where his passion come from when defending lgbtq+ rights. If Joe was president instead of tramp, we would have far less bigotry in todays society. Truly moving

https://youtu.be/QFGfSnPv3TY

Podge_irl · 17-09-2021 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117901582#Comment_117901582

The recall system is just objectively appalling. That a sitting governor can be "recalled" is not the issue, that they can receive 49% support and be replaced by someone with 20% is the clear and obvious issue.

Tony EH · 22-09-2021 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900144#Comment_117900144

LOL

A certain Mrs Merton might have asked "What first attracted you to the millionaire Donald Trump?"

Tell me how · 22-09-2021 4:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903780#Comment_117903780

Joe is President. But it's like clearing up after a car accident. The accident only took a few seconds, it can take hours to clear the road.

I objectively detest the former guy but I wouldn't refer to him in that way, it's only giving ammo to his supporters here and justification for them to use derogatory comments elsewhere.

Black Swan · 22-09-2021 4:51pm

It should be recalled that the Speaker of the House, third in line behind the president, had written to the Joint Chiefs if Staff about her concerns that Trump might start WW3 after losing the 2020 election.

General Miley was not alone when keeping the lines open between the USA military and other major powers to reduce the likelihood of something or someone (Trump) triggering WW3 for reasons not in the best interests of USA or the other powers.

Although Trump claims otherwise, military officers are sworn to protect the US constitution, not the personal whims and personal interests of Trump. Yes, Trump was CIC, but not dictator.

Black Swan · 22-09-2021 5:13pm

Trump continues to promote the Big Lie in all his public communications, fund raisers, and political rallies in anticipation of running in 2024. He claims to have evidence that would overturn the 2020 election results in several states that he lost, including states that had Republicans in charge of the state elections (Georgia, Arizona, etc). He and his supporters continue to ignore over 60 state and federal court decisions that failed to overturn the election.

Trump’s Big Lie is now believed by millions of Americans and erodes faith in the USA democracy both home and abroad. Trump does not care if he damages their system of government if it may increase his chances of winning 2024.

relax carry on · 22-09-2021 7:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925039#Comment_117925039

Trump would burn the world including his own supporters if somehow it would benefit himself. Trump is interested in Trump only. All his actions are linked to the promotion and furtherance of his grand plan, which is to make money, prove how much smarter he is than everyone else and destroy his enemies. Rules, ethics, conscience and consequences are for the those to stupid not to be Trump.

aloyisious · 22-09-2021 8:53pm

In a move which might recoil on him, Trump is suing his niece and the NYT over coverage [release of] of his tax records. I won't link the move directly with his CFO's statement/admission that more court charges are [probably] coming down the line for Trump, just that the two may not be purely coincidental. He may [no pun] be trying to trump his CFO's statement by beginning the above case. It'll give both respondents a chance to reveal more of what they know/have access to in court which is risky for Trump if the knowledge has not been made public by either the prosecutor/s in NYC or the respondents. They may even call witnesses from the Trump side to rebut Trump's case in court as a sensible person would remind the witnesses they are not on nor liable for trial in respect of evidence they give against Trump himself. He's claiming they had an insidious plot against him to get his records.

Black Swan · 23-09-2021 7:58pm

Trump’s suit may allow for evidentiary discovery by the defense. Ironically.

Tell me how · 23-09-2021 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930524#Comment_117930524

That's why it probably won't go ahead.

Nody · 23-09-2021 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930841#Comment_117930841

Well Trump is well known for his amount of lawsuits that he files and then quietly drops them without saying anything or paying to get out from them.

Black Swan · 24-09-2021 12:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930856#Comment_117930856

Indeed. Methinks that in this case Trump is just posturing in hopes of getting air time. Given that to proceed with a civil trial may result in disclosing what he wants to remain hidden. Defense discovery along with deposition would not be in his best interests for 2024.

duploelabs · 24-09-2021 1:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932712#Comment_117932712

Trump is doing this because any movement from the DOJ then he can claim 'witch hunt'

Black Swan · 24-09-2021 5:32pm

Why do we hear so little from Trump lately? From 2015 campaign through his 4 years in office he was daily in the news and Twitter. Hummmmm? But since 6 January 2021 his voice and air time has gradually declined to almost nothing. Now, I am not complaining. 🤪 He rarely said anything of substance.

Most folks I chat with think he will run in 2024. Trump will be the Republican candidate. Could his banning from several social media platforms for his part in 6 January and spreading Big Lie elections misinformation be the reasons? No daily tweets?

The recent Washington DC protest of jailed 6 January insurrectionists fizzled with only about 100 or so of Trump’s followers showing up. This number very unlike the numbers Trump normally gets from adoring fans at his rallies.

Quin_Dub · 24-09-2021 6:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934349#Comment_117934349

Just of the "Justice for the January 6th" rally.

They basically conspiracy theoried themselves out of existence on that one.

There was a theory that it was a false flag event organised by the FBI/Deep State to round up and imprison "god fearing patriots" so the vast majority decided not to go to their own event.

Black Swan · 24-09-2021 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934483#Comment_117934483

There must be a conspiracy theory excuse for every Trump failure? What about his one billion dollars Atlantic City casino and resort bankruptcy failure? Or his more recent Trump University failure where he was fined $21 million?

Rjd2 · 24-09-2021 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934483#Comment_117934483

On that, the media seemed heartbroken their was so little people their, they flocked their in the droves hoping for culture war shite.

I recall a Richard Spencer rally a few years ago, the media would not shut up about it, everyone showed up media wise and Spencer had maybe 50 people?

On the rally the other week, I think their was more undercover FBI people, some stuck out so much " How do you do my fellow MAGA" . than actual Trump loons. 😂

When Trump gets the 2024 GOP nomination, it will be very interesting to see what Dorsey and Zuckerberg do, does he get his playthings back?

Zuckerberg is an awful person so he probably will want to keep Trump happy if he thinks he has a chance of winning.

Leroy42 · 24-09-2021 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934776#Comment_117934776

So we are back to blaming the media again?

So if they don't show it they are suppressing the real stories because of their hate for Trump, and if they do show up and no actual supporters do it means they are heartbroken?

The lack of support is the story, plenty for the media to talk about. The wide angled shot showing nobody could be bothered to turn up, that like Trump himself, his supporters won't bother.

Rjd2 · 24-09-2021 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934861#Comment_117934861

The American mainstream media is utterly broken. They haven't learned any lessons from 2016 where they gave Trump massive coverage.

Trump kept a lot of dying mediums relevant and since he lost they have been scrambling for other "villains" to fill the void. They tried to elevate MTG and Tucker into Trump esque villains for ratings but only made both bigger stars and their breathless coverage of some nerds doing that rally where nobody showed up is another example of how limited they are.

They want the conflict and as Bill Burr said they desperately want Darth Vader back which will make his 2022 GOP race that much easier.

Fathom · 24-09-2021 8:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934906#Comment_117934906

Some TV news media programs favor Trump. Others don't. Any difference between Fox & Friends and CNN? Both have an audience they play for. Both need ratings to draw advertisers and associated profits. Both are businesses. And if they don't succeed as a business first, they will fail no matter their message second. So painting one bad and another good may exhibit bias of the painter. And we are all value laden/biased. Max Weber discussed this well.

Leroy42 · 24-09-2021 8:23pm

So you think the media are to blame for Trump? Not Trump himself and the voters?

The same media that are full of fake news and biased opinions such that they can be ignored are to blame for driving people to Trump and accepting his lying?

Rjd2 · 24-09-2021 10:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934973#Comment_117934973

Trump doesn't win in 2016 without CNN. They gave him so much free publicity and yes obviously Fox done some work but without Jeff Zucker Trump does not become president.

Without Trump they and all other traditional media platforms right or left in America are screwed thus anything associated with Trump gets absurd coverage. MTG and Tucker have became much bigger stars due to the media obsession with trying to fill the Trump void.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934963#Comment_117934963

CNN are an odd one, deserve huge criticism for 2016 but is still a relatively balanced channel (Acosta and Cuomo aside), but they are clearing fighting the temptation to go full MSNBC (Democrat propaganda channel aka Fox is for the GOP) as that is where the money is.

Its a broken model though though when so reliant on Trump I think we can both agree.

Black Swan · 25-09-2021 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934776#Comment_117934776

Permanent bans should be permanent as defined. Or else they are not permanent and should be labeled accordingly.

The major worldwide platforms have hundreds of millions of followers and do not need a Trump. When Trump got kicked off all the majors after his fumbled 6 January congressional insurrection attempt he said he would launch a new social media platform to rival the majors. How long did that last? One month?

duploelabs · 25-09-2021 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117938171#Comment_117938171

Judged by the track record of Trump's other business ventures, I'd deem that a success

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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