What sort EV can you get for €30,000 if grants are reduced.

The basic spec e208 and Corsa fall under €30k

Leaf 40kWh as well

45kWh ID.3 should be under €30k, if they start selling it here

Won't get that in Ireland surely. Even Fungi f**ked off

Why they don't use common sense and tax the likes of polluting Range Rovers out of existence, the things should cost at least €10k per year on road tax alone, and use that to subsidize smaller EVs.

You could argue they already do. They guzzle expensive fuel, which is almost 70% tax. Motor tax is over €2k for many Range Rovers & older models are more often than not, paying bills in the dealers rather than actually on the road, polluting 😀.

Is it their size you despise? Should a similarly sized plug-in BMW X5, with a 24kWh battery, running almost exclusively electrically in cities etc., be taxed out of existence too?

Apart from the initial environmental cost of production, such an X5 could be running "cleaner" (low mileage, solar PV at home, always charged up, 90%+ in EV mode), than a high mileage BEV, exclusively fast charging at peak times (calm winter day, no wind, grid largely running on fossil fuels/diesel backup generators etc.).

This "taxing out of existence" theme will be used against Teslas & performance BEVs in future & ultimately against all private cars, regardless of energy type.

Plus, taxing everything out of existence here in Ireland will have next to zero net effect on global emissions.

Rich people will still be able to afford big luxurious SUVs, sports cars etc. & jet off around the world so taxing things out of existence targets the poorest first.

Encourage people, incentivise people. What's wrong with a carrot? I hate big sticks!

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As time moves on I see these large Range Rover, X5, etc things as absolutely obnoxious and have no place at all in our cities - even if they're fueled by the cleanest means it still means they take up too much space, a disproportionate amount of the people who drive them are bullies on the road, I don't want to share space with them anymore, so yes tax them to hell I say. Fair enough if the wealthy owners can swan off to another country to drive them, that's their and the other jurisdictions problem, but we have the power to sort out our own house.

I read somewhere last week that some European manufacturers are questioning the future of the estate car due to the uptake on these things. I believe that we are losing all the fuel efficiency gains to the inefficient SUV brigade. The world is gone plain mad.

Edit: Here it is https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mercedes-benz-hints-uncertain-future-estate-models

If they reduce it to 30k wait and watch VW and the others produce models that'll make the grade. The subsidies have to start going, they can't carry on forever. We've had long enough to get people to move, time to put away the carrot and take out the stick.

Going by Liam’s figures that’s an extra €2870 I’d have to pay if my car lands in January - that’s a balls and will probably result in me cancelling the order.

I thought they wanted 1 million ev’s on the road by 2030-

Or maybe I’m wasting my time even thinking about something that I don’t know is concrete.

Either way it’s still a balls.

Just a small point.

If they tax the RRs out of existence where will the revenue come from to subsidise EVS?

Sorry I thought you were serious when you said they should tax the RRs out of existence and use the money raised to subsidise EVs.

I f we don't need the money to subsidise the EVs why make the RRs extinct?

The UK market is large though. We're tiny & inconsequential for manufacturers. We're also still in the €U, a tiny island waaay off the continental coast & demand RHD cars. We're told we're also one of the wealthiest countries in the €U, with the highest property prices, highest energy costs, highest cost of living generally etc. I really can't see manufacturers dropping prices here to ensure buyers can avail of a grant, which will end shortly anyway.

No, we're very much a captive audience here, unable to source cars from the UK now & at the mercy of whatever manufacturers want to charge us. Prices are on the up. We're looking at €40/50k minimum now to get behind the wheel of a mainstream BEV, VW, Skoda/Hyundai etc.

It'll ultimately stagnate sales once the supply of the wealthy, who can afford those rates, are exhausted. There'll be less used, hence affordable, BEVs available in the years to come then too. It's a lose, lose IMO.

This Govt commissioned report appears to take a different view

Havent read the actual report which is linked in the press release.

But seems to recommend keeping current incentives and suggest more needed

Many reasons people don't like SUVs, safety - twice as likely to kill a pedestrian at slow speeds.

Use more resources to produce without providing additional space, greater towing capacity etc...

Why would a Tesla which has mass produced one of the most economical cars ever made be taxed out of existence?

You can't tax a second hand RR "out of existence" when there's no EV replacement.

Spot on-

"The retention of existing EV supports – grants for EV purchase and home charging - until at least the end of 2022."