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Michael D Higgins insists he is President of Ireland, refuses to commemorate partition

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    He says he is President of Ireland, not President of the Republic of Ireland and he won't commemorate partition by the sound of it.

    That sounds fair enough to me, seems they knew exactly what they were doing using the "president of Republic of Ireland" reference (to deliberately antagonise)

    seen John Bruton going toe to toe with Diarmaid Ferriter last night on this, and Ferriter definitely came out on top. A president of Ireland going to a service to celebrate the partition of the island is a ludicrous suggestion. Let one of those gombeens who want to see Ireland "rejoin the commonwealth" go if they want, but Higgins stance should be respected.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,054 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    The correct title of the office is president of Ireland. But then the DUP etc have a major issue referring to officials in Ireland by their correct title.

    President Higgins is correct in everything he has said. They made the event political so he declined.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Hmm, not sure what I make of this. The event is not about “celebrating” the partition- the phrase “marking” the centenary is used. Could have been a chance for political figures on both sides of the border to come together and take stock.

    Also him referring to himself as “President of Ireland, not President of the Republic of Ireland” seems unnecessarily provocative and snotty. NI is part of a different country, whether he or I or anyone else likes it or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Good man Michael D he's dead right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    He shouldn’t go and the Dup can go take a long walk off a short plank...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Not referring to him by his correct title was a deliberate insult, there's no way that's a clerical error. So he'd be 100% right not to attend on those grounds alone. If they don't want to refer to him as the President of Ireland they shouldn't have invited him.


    In any event he'd be right not to attend. The event is clearly meant as a celebration of partition, despite any protestations to the contrary. Saying it's to mark partition rather than celebrate it doesn't change the reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭rock22


    It is the correct title and reflects the name of the country.

    Even after making this point, Jeffry Donaldson again referred to him, on Morning Ireland ,radio, as president of republic of Ireland.

    Unionists wanted to make this a political event and they have succeeded. One wonders what the churches organising this were thinking?.

    Michael D was 100% correct



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭POBox19


    The President of Ireland is not available, he has a prior engagement on that day. An arrangement like this one with the Queen attending has to be organised months if not years in advance, they could have asked earlier. It is an insult by the DUP organisers to ask the 'President of the Republic of Ireland' knowing full well that is not the correct form of address, they probably held back calling him the 'President of the Free State'.

    The DUP is looking for another chance to be 'offended', it has backfired on them and shows how foolish they are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,244 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    He's dead right, good man Michael D.



  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭PeaSea


    He isn't the President of the whole island of Ireland for the simple reason that I, in the North, can't vote for him or his office. He is the president of Ireland, the short title given to the Republic Of Ireland.

    Personally I think it's a trick missed, it's far too easy for the DUP to point and tell their followers that nothing has changed or ever will change. To get to the point where we can have a unified Ireland, enough moderate unionists like me need to be convinced that a/ we would get a fair deal in Ireland and b/ that Ireland actually wants us. This would have ticked both boxes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I don't think anything "backfires" on the DUP, they fully expect a faceblast with every decision they make lately and their enjoyment of it only seems to go up the more they hurt themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Anyone that annoys the gobshites in the DUP is good with me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,319 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Fair play to him, he is Presidant of Ireland, why should he go to a celebration of its partition?

    As previously mentioned the Unionists showed their hand by inviting the President of the "Republic" Of Ireland, a deliberate error in title and an insult, nothing but Unionist posturing here. He would be right to say his office received no invite at all to play them at their own game.

    Unlike the spineless FF lot who are nationalists in name only he actually does actually care about his country, well done Michael D!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Sorry that is just wrong.

    I refer you to the constitution of Ireland and article 4 which declare the name of this state.

    ARTICLE 4

    The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.



    What you are referring to is the official description of the country of Ireland as declared in the 1948 Act, The Republic of Ireland Act.

    2.—It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.


    An Act of Legislation does not supersede the constitution so the name of this country remains in the English language Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭davetherave


    Constitution of Ireland

    Article 4

    The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.


    Article 12

    There shall be a President of Ireland (Uachtarán na hÉireann), hereinafter called the President.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    He is absolutely correct.

    Article 3 of the Irish constitution states:

    1 It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

    Partition by definition causes disharmony and division. Therefore any celebration or commemoration of partition is repugnant to the constitution. Therefore it would be wrong for the President - as the defender of the constitution - to attend such an event.

    That's before we get to the fact that the event is a protestant religious service and therefore is excludes a majority of Northern Irish citizens. This is not a commemoration, it's a piece of Unionist onanism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Protocol on this sort of thing is important so it was bad form by whomever sent the invitation to address it incorrectly. Could be malice behind it or ignorance but either way it was bad form. You'd think that these archbishops and church leaders who appear to be the organisers should have known better. So I'm leaning towards malice - whichever eejit sent the invitation was deliberately trying to stir up trouble.

    The President is well advised to steer well clear of this sordid little partionist affair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭hawley


    He should have had the decency to discuss the matter with the heads of government. It's not his position to make political statements like this. People are excusing it because of their dislike of the DUP, especially in the wake of Brexit, but in reality he's way out of line with this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭PeaSea


    Not just that straightforward though is it ....

    "according to the Constitution of Ireland, the names of the Irish state are 'Ireland' (in English) and 'Éire' (in Irish).[1] From 1922 to 1937, its legal name was 'the Irish Free State'. The state has jurisdiction over almost five-sixths of the island of Ireland. The rest of the island is Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom. Consequently, other formal and informal names have been (and are) used when it is necessary to distinguish between the territory of the state and the island as a whole. In 1948 it adopted the term Republic of Ireland as the 'official description of the state', without changing the constitutional names."

    <link to the Wikipedia page that I'm not allowed to insert>

    Note I'm not saying he's the President of the Republic of Ireland .... his title is President of Ireland and in that the DUP were incorrect. However he is not my President much as I would like him to be as I can't vote for him. It's complicated. I do think it's a trick missed though on the part of Ireland, but I also agree he is entirely free to make his own decision on it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Butson


    Higgins is an absolute child.

    Millionaire socialist - the best kind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    More than anything on this, it's his principled choice and at this point the spineless hand-wringing seen across the broadcast/written spectrum over the past few days about 'whether-or-not-he-should-go' needs to stop. Taking every opportunity to do overt kowtowing to a select group of whingy politicians from the North who are just engaged in dog-whistling is embarrassing beyond belief.

    And yes, their use of an incorrect form of his title in the invitation was a provocation, deliberate or otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    The idea that one's economic status must inform their political opinions is a broken cliche and offensive. This works both ways - rich people can be socialist and poor people can be free market capitalists - both are legitimate positions.



  • Posts: 17,381 [Deleted User]


    Remarkable that anyone thinks he should even say yes. And if it was a genuine invite, title would have been correct.

    Pretty tired of self-hating Irish people using this sort of thing to look down on Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Putting aside what our constitution says- is he President of Northern Ireland? He clearly is not. So I would posit that the title of President of Ireland is kind of meaningless.

    On the other hand, partition was a stain in our history and has caused nothing but trouble. I don’t know what’s best here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,319 ✭✭✭✭Supercell




  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Right decision. The president would have no business at an event commemorating the establishment of a sectarian failed statelet that set about disenfranchising a large section of the population and consigning them to second class citizens in all manner of ways. Be as well attending a KKK gathering



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    judging but the posts here, the most shocking thing is the large minority of people who don't know that name of this country. Seriously like, what the ****?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The DUP complaining about this is farcical. Their side made an insult out of the very invitation.

    Michael D is hugely popular, skated in at the last election, and the way he's handled a potentially difficult situation like this shows why. He just wasn't going to have his office degraded or get involved with what is clearly going to be a celebration of partition, and he behaved with honesty and a little grace.

    Donaldson queried whether he was declining to come because of pressure from the Government. It shows Donaldson doesn't have a clue what Higgins is like.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭howiya


    Ah yeah we'll just put aside the constitution...



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