Will racism ever end?

Wait for the deflection... 😂

Ah klaz so no other posters have attempted sly digs or even direct insults at me in this thread. 🤣

That's hardly the point... it's your (and bubblypop's) dig that was noted. Forget it. I know you won't own up to it, and recognise that it was inappropriate when someone was answering your questions properly.

Just like I can't stop the other posters who post nonsense and childish attempts at insults directed at me. I can ignore them and carry on. Insult me enough and you get no right of reply from me.

I learned on the Multiculturalism thread where the baiting comes from... and it tends to be from the posters who make the digs, and the claim to be the victim.

Let's move on, shall we? @the dunne can handle his own problems, and while I said my initial piece, I have no intention of getting sidetracked away from the discussion on racism.

I don't agree the Premier league is this hotbed of racism you claim inside the grounds. Have you any links to incidents of note this season.

Nope. Oh, I could get some articles, but I doubt it will change your mind any. You see, I would previously have done so, but the way you've been tackling posts just removes any desire for me to do any legwork for you.

Outside the ground that's a policing matter and I agree the UK police could do much more in dealing with racist incidents. Not even just specifically at football matches but in general.

I would say that football organisations, and the clubs themselves have a responsibility for what/how their fans behave under the name of those teams (wearing the colours, shouting the slogans, etc) while engaging in such activities. As long as they don't take responsibility for it, little will change, because the Police are, in many ways, limited/restricted in what they can do to influence people's minds/beliefs. Oh, they can enforce the laws.. but that's not the problem with racism.. the inability to change perceptions is.

And I'm going to leave the discussion on soccer, or taking the knee, there. This was discussed to death on the other thread, and I can easily see the same crap coming up again, with the same manner of dismissive/nasty posting styles.

If you want to shift back to racism in general, I'm fine with continuing the discussion. Otherwise, I'll leave it to others to discuss BLM/Soccer/etc.

didn't bring BLM to this discussion. So don't try blaming that on me.

Look back... I didn't blame that on you.

I have said I don't really think the taking the knee goes far enough but I don't agree with booing an anti racism gesture either. Because as I said there are actual racists booing the knee gesture and support of that booing ends up as tacit support for the people booing it for racist reasons.

And yet, you refuse the connection between BLM and the taking of the knee... Your logic doesn't extend beyond your application of it to others posts. You should consider applying it to your own statements. In any case, I didn't say anything about the booing on this thread, nor did I engage with you about it.

What exactly do you want to discuss about racism in general. We agree it's bad.

What can be done about it, and whether the current efforts are counter productive? I'd be interested in seeing your perception of anti-racism activists/advocates who push their views in a manner that tends to embrace bigotry and racism, while preaching against it. I'd be interested in your views on the double standards being applied, where standards are applied to others, but rarely are those same standards applied to the advocates/activists themselves. Also, the double standards with African Americans, where their own racism towards Asians and Hispanics is ignored, so that people can focus on the racism that is collectively assigned to White people.

But you dont think there is anything that can be done. You don't believe people can change so what is there to discuss exactly.

Once again, you're putting words in my mouth and disregarding what I've said previously. I said its a human condition, but we also have laws and social conditioning to minimize/reduce the expression of racism in society. I just don't believe it will ever be removed entirely. I wonder if you really read what people write, or simply scan their posts looking for something to confirm your own beliefs, or find something to argue against. And no, that's not a dig. It's an observation because you've done this multiple times on this thread alone.

Why do you care about my opinion on anti racism activists / advocates.

Good God man, do you even remember your own posts?

I even quoted it in bold before posting my own input.

Your posts seem very antagonistic towards me. You don't know me so why you have taken a dislike to me is strange to me. And no that's not a dig thats just my observation.

Robbie, your posts on the last two pages have supplied plenty of reasons for me to be frustrated with your style of deflections.

I'm done. Look, I'll make it easier on both of us, and just ignore you. No need to continue this frustrating discussion that leads nowhere.