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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,822 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think its run out of road, ideally they just stop making them.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Can't have a 60s Bond movie as there are literally 60s Bond movies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,719 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Of course, but we have plenty of 80s movies & nostalgia for that era has produced a lot of film & TV blatantly apeing it 😀 Bond has got by with big swings - as seen with Casino Royale itself TBH, when it made a successful attempt to rebadge the franchise as a story of a thug, moulded into a gentleman spy by way of obvious cribbing from the Bourne playbook. What's the next big swing then? There's already a resting love for the 1960s aesthetic and era, even if the white heat of Mad Man has lessened a little. So why not embrace that, go back to basics.

    As I said, even if it was something considered by the producing team, the many brands who pay them the big bucks would quickly say no. Bar maybe the fashion brands who could have some fun with retro-themed clothing.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    7up and British Airways would be well up for it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,822 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Bond: Origins , it writes itself. If they actually came up with a 3 part set of films starting in ww2 and rolling forward I would certainly be interested.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Maybe go the other way. Bond set in the future!

    Bond Max.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,719 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Bond time travels in a modified Aston Martin - "Bond to the Future"



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    I dunno they've tried to do the Bond origins with Craig, CR we saw how he became a double 0 and then as the films have progressed they've tried to tie all the villains to Bond personally with Blofeld being his half brother and the mother relationship with M that even went back to his ancestral home, Craig's Bond is no longer Bond but a Harry Potter-esque chosen one which is why the "there'll be nothing left to save" line irks me. To the audience Bond is saving the world but in Bond's eyes he's just doing his job, for queen and country etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it would be a novelty to see Bond sent on, and complete, a mission that didn't involve a personal grudge or him going rogue. You know, just doing his job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I havent been a fan of the Retconning in the Craig films, they seem to be making it up as they go along from film to film.

    I wouldnt trust them to do a good job with an Origins story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Oh they definitely have! Silva was supposed to be a standalone villain and a step away from the organised crime syndicate but then Blofeld implies that he orchestrated that too. I think even the Aston Martin in Skyfall they say is Bond's personal car but then in Spectre Q quips that he told Bond not to scratch it and I see he will somehow have it back again in NTTD.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,426 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, would agree with a lot of this, particularly as a film idea, it doesn't make sense for them now. Could work on a smaller more intimate scale for TV though, and could be very interesting... Just on the period thing - it really does bump the cost way up on top of whatever else you're doing. Every street has to be dressed accordingly. Every car in the background has to be period. Every costume - even extras - bespoke, instead of stuff the costumers can pick up from target or walmart in bulk. For the scale Bond movies work on, and the sheer range of scenes and locations used, that gets really expensive. Now, a Bond movie makes a lot of money, so could afford it, but it's just another reason not to do it for a feature. (Another reason TV makes more sense with a reduced scale with better longer form storytelling, leaning more towards espionage and character building than extravagant scenes and action.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,179 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    A live action James Bond Jr. spin off series is bound to happen at some time.



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    People ask what direction will the bond movies go in next? Well Bond movies have always just copied whatever is flavour of the month at the moment



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    I think having Craig driving around in Sean Connery's car from 60 years ago 3 movies in a row looks ridiculous



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Will Craig actually get some proper fitting suits in the new film.

    Tight suits are going out of fashion it seems, baggy jeans are back too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,719 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Finally, something I can agree on with MisterAnarchy. The fashion of suits looking like you bought 2 sizes smaller has been weird, making the wearer look stupid, and Craig even more like a thug in dress-up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    We agree on more than you think Pixelburp.😉

    Tom Ford who supplied the suits in the last few films generally prefers a suit with more classic proportions.

    Ford is also fond of a very close fit, but he prefers his suits to follow the shape of the body rather than fight against it like Craig’s suits do so I'm not sure why Craig wears tight suits.

    Seemingly the fashion industry has been pushing this shrunken suit trend for quite a while.

    Current trends in suits save money in many ways compared to the way suits are traditionally tailored. The shrunken trend saves manufacturers money, who can sell a 6-foot tall man a suit that is traditionally long enough for a man no taller than 5’8″. These trends save money for suit shops, who might no longer feel the need to employ a tailor on premises because they can sell a man a ‘slim fit’ suit that already has waist suppression instead of using a tailor to fit a suit perfectly to the customer’s body. These trends save customers money for not having to worry about paying to alter the ‘slim fit’ suit that they purchased.

    The kind of rumpled fit that Daniel Craig wears is far easier to tailor than clothes that hug the body. It takes less effort to not smooth out the rumples. And if people can be convinced to aspire to this, they can be happy with a poorly fitting suit and demand less of the shops where they purchase their suits.

    I also think Craig could do with a new barber. He looks better with longer hair , I know the tight cut is meant to make him look harder but it isnt in keeping with the part, he sticks out with the buzz cut and poor fitting suits.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I hate the tight clothes thing they've insisted on.

    Craigs snow-wear in Spectre was as bad as his suits.

    They don't have to go Full Moore however. 😆




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    It's interesting to watch the costumes in Craig's films evolve, remember at the start of CR he's under cover in Madagascar in a half fastened Hawaiian shirt and dirty kakis, then at the start of Skyfall he's "undercover" in Marakesh(?) in a full Tom Ford. The first two movies didn't shy away from the disheveled look, see the poster for QoS whereas he's definitely become more immaculate in the later films.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    So the runtime on this is gonna be 165 minutes. I wasn't that bothered about going to see this but I think now I'll definitely be waiting for the home release.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Seems excessively long.

    Craigs films seem to be getting increasingly longer, Skyfall 143 mins, Spectre 148 mins and now 165 minutes.

    They should be aiming for 135 minutes.

    This film with its troublesome production, change of director, rewrites etc has all the hallmarks of being a turkey.

    Has Hans Zimmer rewritten the score, he only had a few months to write it for the original release date, he surely has changed it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,719 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I know it's a subject others take the view of more being merrier, but 2.75 hours for a Bond movie is madness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    DHL have a nice ad for the new film, very classy.




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Spectre really dragged, and this is 20 minutes longer?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    It's gonna be James Bond:Return of the King isn't it, with an ending that feels like its going on for 3 weeks.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Peter Jackson would have split it into 3 movies though!

    But 2 hrs 45 minutes? That is ridiculous.

    It's going to be a struggle to last that long with my Jumbo Coke.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,719 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm going to take a swing that the bloat will be what kills the pacing, and be contrivances to force Bond into another emotional arc. Undoubtedly involving Lea Seydoux. Casino Royale and Skyfall did admirable jobs doing this with some authenticity, but still amounted to the only places you can go with Bond: Fridge the lover; or Mammy Issues. Spectre then shítting the bed trying to make Blofeld a long lost brother 🤦



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭OU812



    New trailer focusing on new agents.

    I wonder if they might be killing off "James Bond" and moving forward with "007" which would allow them to recast whenever they want to any gender/race they want, expand the whole universe & just retain a core support group such as Q & M.

    This movie could end with Bond being killed & Ralph Fiennes swearing in the new 007 (female probably).


    BTW, did anyone know his full name is Ralph Nathaniel Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes ??



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