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the 'there's no such thing as a stupid question' bike maintenance thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Not in a properly built wheel they don't.

    Uneven spoke tension can lead to spoke flexing(rather than staying in tension as a prestressed structure should) and eventually slowly fatigue crack before suddenly failing suddenly in tension.

    This is what Musson says on the matter and I doubt Jobst Brandt says much different

    "This type of breaks should not happen in the first place and can be virtually eliminated by using the correct building technique described in the Building section (aligning the spokes and stress relieving)"

    "Wheels do not need continual maintenance and a well built wheel will be good from the day it was built to the day it wears out through natural usage requiring little or no attention."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭secman


    Happened to me on a 3 week old set of Zonda's that i bought in CSS. Brought wheel back and first guy said "pothole" to which I said No and offered to bring him to exact spot on N81 where it happened and showed him the spot on Strava coming back doing about 12kph as i had to fully open brakes for clearance on the resulting buckle.

    They replaced and trued the wheel FOC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Moral of the story, don't buy a secondhand torque wrench. Another moral be to take care of your torque wrench


    I could point out that as he is in the US he's using crazy units ...inches and pounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,608 ✭✭✭cletus


    All true, but the general sentiment remains the same. Torque wrenches need to be calibrated to be effective



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sorry, I’m really not sure what you’re disagreeing with? You agreed that uneven spoke tension can fatigue and crack spokes. It’s rare, but it happens.

    ”properly built wheels “ is a subjective term. Wheels built by an expert wheel builder and a set of off the peg Shimano wheels are completely different.


    I've seen lose spokes on relatively new wheels from the full range of mass produced wheels. From cheap Aksiums to Zipp 404s.


    Checking spoke tension is simple, and something I would do after a couple of spins on new wheels. I have no idea who Musson and Brandt are. But well built wheels shouldn’t need maintenance, agreed. I’m just not convinced off the peg shimano/Mavic/etc wheels are that well built.

    they/them/theirs


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’ll whisper this quietly. Torque doesn’t really matter most of the time on bikes. It’s mainly a guideline to stop people cracking carbon.


    if you don’t have feet for hands, you’ll be grand most of the time.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,608 ✭✭✭cletus


    Also true. I've never torqued anything on a bike, don't even have a torque wrench in the appropriate range.


    However, there are people who have no feel for that stuff. My father would be a prime example. Doesn't matter how tight a fastener is done, he always has to give it a quarter turn for good luck 🙄



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I've worked with people like that. Professional engineers and technicians, it's mind boggling. They definitely needed torque wrenches.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Properly built isn't subjective at all. It's a 1 or a 0. Off the shelf or handbuilt it makes no difference the science remains the same. Handbuilt wheels can be sh1te to

    If spokes are losing tension they haven't been properly tensioned AND stress relived.

    Your experience of wheels is just a reflection of the sh1te that's on the market. There's no bedding in just poorly built wheels unwinding spokes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    He'd bend a crowbar in a bog is an apt description



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I can't agree on your statement that "properly built" is objective. But it's not worth arguing about.


    My experience with wheels over the last 30 years tells me that most off the shelf wheels are not properly built. Which has always been my point. Can we agree on that?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭zinzan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Jeremy Sproket


    Is there any reason why 1st gear usually won't engage on my hybrid bike (front gears). 2 and 3 work fine but 1 usually won't engage for when I want to attempt a steep ascent.

    As a by the way, am I correct here regarding gear usage?

    The front gears 1, 2, 3 would be used for climbing, on the flat and descending respectively (3 could be used on the flat if you are very fit and / or have a wind behind you).

    The back, ie, the derailleur, is simply used proportional to speed, the faster you go and the more speed you build up, the higher the gears?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Firstly (not suggesting that you do this but) don't mix large rear with large front or small rear with small front (cross chaining).

    You're right about the usage buy stay in a gear that is comfortable regardless of what youre doing.

    In terms of your front derailleur, it sounds like it needs to be reindexed...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    How can I determine what the max tyre clearance of my bike is? I have an 09 Langster that has 700x23's on it and want to go a bit larger.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what's the current clearance like around the 23s?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    Just measured there and there is at least 1cm from tyre to fork on top and side, as well as 1cm to the seat stay and the brake block on the rear tyre.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sounds promising, but one idea would be to borrow a 25 and a 28 and try them for size, if you can?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    I have at least 27 on my langster commuter. They might be 28.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,988 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I was reading Eben Weiss' The Ultimate Bicycle Owner's Manual, and he mentions the correct manner to replace worn tyres, which he compares to feeding a horse (or something like that): input at the front, dejecta at the rear. So, basically, when your rear tyre is worn and needs to be changed, put a new tyre on the front and the old front tyre at the rear, and keep going. This makes a lot of sense, if you ride fast, as you always have the least likely to blow tyre at the front.

    However, I wasn't sure if it actually saved you money, which is the other claim he makes; at least compared with just simply changing the tyre that's worn out and ignoring the other one until it's worn out.

    I don't really know how front and rear wear rates compare (except that rear is far faster), but I decided, because I'm like that, to try a hypothetical scenario and see if it would save money, over, say, two years. In this (totally hypothetical scenario), it's more trouble and costs nearly the same. It still is safer, though whether it's worth the effort maybe depends on your riding style.


    Start with two new tyres; say the rear tyre wears twice as fast as front: six months versus one year.

    Just changing the worn tyre

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    6 months: rear totally worn, front half worn; change rear

    12 months: both totally worn; change both

    18 months; rear totally worn, front half worn; change rear

    24 months: both totally worn; change both

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    Total change: 6 tyres, changing rear tyre (the hard one) four times, front tyre twice: six changes.


    "Rotating" tyres

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    6 months: rear totally worn, front half worn; put new on front, old front to rear

    9 months: rear totally worn, front quarter worn; put new on front; old front to rear

    13.5 months: rear totally worn, front .375 worn; put new on front; etc.

    17.25 months: rear totally worn, front 0.3125 worn; put new on front; etc.

    21.375 months: rear totally worn, front 0.34375 worn; put new on front; etc.

    25.3125 months: rear totally worn, front 0.328125 worn; put new on front; etc.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Total change: 6 tyres, changing rear tyre (the hard one) six times, front tyre six times: twelve changes.


    If you assume the rear wears out ten times faster (say the front wear is 0.1 after six months with the rear totally worn out), you end up buying five tyres in 27.8 months.

    But the other strategy leads to buying four tyres in 24 months, and a 0.4 worn-out front tyre.

    So I'm not sure it saves you very much money.


    Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭ARX


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    We're not worthy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,988 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I bet I've made a mistake somewhere though!!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what if you cycle on a conveyor belt?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I always change both tyres when one is worn! Take that

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Mecrab


    My converted ebike(bought from adverts 4 months ago) has what seems like a battery issue. When i switch it on and pull the throttle the whole thing shuts off. I haven't a scooby on how to tackle this problem any suggestions would be great. I can send a video of it happening if that will help. battery is an x-go 36v 10aH and motor is a front wheel 1000w one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a 1000W front wheel motor? mudderagod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Is it disc brakes, a cable brake fork probably wouldn't have the strength to deal with the forces at hub with that motor.

    A disc brake fork might be ok but someone familiar with bikes would need to have a look at that. The forces from hard braking would be in the same ball park as motor output

    1000w is mental at the front of a bike, it'll handle uniquely; and probably not in a good way. Pretty sure recommendation is for lower power output for front hub ebikes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Mecrab


    it is a disc brake on the back wheel yes.

    it is incredibly powerful for sure. you're right it doesn't feel very smooth when the front wheel just pulls you along haha handy for steep hills though!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭wheelo01


    Is a snapped spoke a big deal? I snapped one on yesterday's spin. I know I not going to be able to re-true the wheel, so what can I expect to be charged?

    If it makes a difference, they're fulcrum racing 66 700mm wheels(rear)

    If he cant do it for me tomorrow, is it okay to cycle until he can?

    Thanks.

    Post edited by wheelo01 on


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