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changing casette for more climbing

  • 22-07-2021 12:31pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭ thebourke


    I have a Cannondale Cyclocross 105 bike that I bought about 5 years ago...

    Its got a 28t cassette..

    I do a bit of cycling up sally gap...Wicklow...Bohernabreena etc..however I found i really struggle on the steep parts ...should i be looking to change my cassette etc or is that possible?

    i'm not an expert on bike maintenance..any advice would be welcome?

    i use the bike for more climbing than flat cycling....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭ GoHardOrGoHome


    Not an expert but I got a 32t cassette and it made a world of difference. Bigger difference between number of teeth on each sprocket so not as smooth a change going up and down the gears.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    yes, you can change your cassette; you'd also need to change your chain too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭ thebourke


    what about front and rear derailleurs...do they also need to be changed?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    depends; shimano claim a max of 28 teeth for what i suspect is a 5800 short cage, but AFAIK it can take 30.


    your front derailleur won't need to be changed though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭ strmin


    Just remember that as soon as you have 32 at the back, you will want 34 next time you on steep parts. That's how it works.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭ nilhg


    CX bike is likely to have a CX chainset 46/36, if the OP were to change that to a compact it might be enough to boost the climbing and give a little more speed on the downhills?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭ Macy0161


    You can get rear derailleur hanger extensions - Wolftooth Roadlink is the famous one, but you can get unbranded a lot cheaper on Ali (or even Amazon if you don't want to wait).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ Paul Kiernan


    OP - if you tell us model and sizing of existing chainset and rear mech it'll be easier to work out what the limitations are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭ thebourke


    My mistake its a Tiagra not 105!

    Its a canndondale caadx tiagra cyclocross bike bought new in march 2017

    rear derailleur - shimano tiagra

    front derailleur -shimano tiagra

    shimano tiagra 10 speed

    caasette 28t

    crank FSA Omega Alloy | 46/36

    bb30

    i got a new chain last december 2020.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭ smacl


    On that setup, I'd be going to 50/34 up front and 11/32 rear. Great thing about Tiagra that it is a cheaper groupset so this type of changeover shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. If you put a wanted in the adverts section you might find someone with compatible parts who has move up to 11 speed.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    main caveat there is that bike parts have been in very short supply recently, so it'll be harder to buy bits now than it was a year or two ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭ CantGetNoSleep


    Could you also change the 46-36 to a 46-30? I know that FSA have had some sub-compact chainrings before the likes of Shimano, the first gravel bikes often seemed to have them

    Might be the easiest in terms of fewest parts to swap as it is just a new inner chainring, 30-28 would give you a much easier time than 36-28, and a move to 50-34 would likely require a full new crankset, cassette, chain and possibly even a derailleur.

    I'm not sure if it is possible on that chainset & front derailleur though - someone else will be more knowledgeable than me



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭ smacl


    If the BCD is right, SPA cycles have a decent range of 10 speed chain rings, see https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m8b0s148p0/Drivetrain/Chainrings-Cyclotourist Changing from 36t to 30t could possibly require a different front mech if such a thing exists. I haven't seen 30t ever used as the small ring on a double before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭ hesker


    Not just a matter of BCD I think. Also have to take chain wrap into account and make sure the RD is up to the task.



  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭ Zen0


    I have a similar (CAADX 2015) bike. Changed the rear cassette to one with 30/32 teeth and changed the small chainring to a 34 (FSA do one and it’s surprisingly lighter than the one it replaced). Didn’t bother changing the big chainring, but I tend to spin rather than grind. I’ve been up Priest’s Leap with that arrangement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭ Zen0


    This seems to be the updated version of the inner chainring I got:

    FSA Super Compact Road N10/11 Chainring | Chain Rings | Wiggle

    It's now rated 10/11 speed but I believe it should work. Only changing the inner chainring means you don't need to reposition your front derailleur.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭ thebourke


    I didn't realise you could actually change your inner chainring...

    So I could potentially have a 46/34 t then in the front?

    Is there much difference in getting a 32 or a 34t cassette?

    Am planning to get down to priests leap in cork next month....



  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭ Zen0


    Yes, you can have a 46/34 in the front. That’s what I run on my cross bike, which has become my commuting/adventure touring/gravel bike.

    The difference between a 32 and a 34 on the back is not huge until you are at the limit of your endurance on something really steep. But in reality you will make do with either. The real issue is what your rear derailleur can accommodate. For that, Shimano’s tech docs are your guide. Just Google Shimano tech docs and your groupset number.

    Enjoy Priest’s Leap, it’s a real test of climbing ability in a magnificently remote location.



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