Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

fresh off the paper, the latest proposal for the EU (including Ireland?)

- kids under 6 exempt from tests
- 1 vaccine dose is good for travel if countries allow that already in other circumstances
- green list (remember that) lives on, and no vaccination cert or tests needed for there
- threshold for green list increased (loosened)
- antigen tests are to be allowed (but can Ireland pull an exemption to make it dearer/ less attractive to travel with a PCR)
- handbrake for countries that are worried about variants

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/only-children-under-6-exempt-from-covid-testing-for-travel-abroad-under-new-eu-rules-40486851.html

with infection numbers plummeting across europe, if i read this right then most of Europe is already, if not will be very soon, a green zone and the "vaccine passport" green travel cert will be irrelevant until any potential autumn wave mostly affecting anti-vaxxers getting their immunity the hard/ traditional way

Sam Hain wrote: »

Why not save your money and add to your budget and go somewhere nice at a later date?

There are a few flea pit resorts in that area, but overall it’s a beautiful place. Don’t let one bad experience colour your opinion.

Feria40 wrote: »

I was more thinking of 'Covid' bargains. For sure compared to previous year's, this year should not be anymore expensive.

I know, I kind of wrote off this summer so was afraid to book.

munchkin_utd wrote: »

fresh off the paper, the latest proposal for the EU (including Ireland?)

- kids under 6 exempt from tests
- 1 vaccine dose is good for travel if countries allow that already in other circumstances
- green list (remember that) lives on, and no vaccination cert or tests needed for there
- threshold for green list increased (loosened)
- antigen tests are to be allowed (but can Ireland pull an exemption to make it dearer/ less attractive to travel with a PCR)
- handbrake for countries that are worried about variants

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/only-children-under-6-exempt-from-covid-testing-for-travel-abroad-under-new-eu-rules-40486851.html

with infection numbers plummeting across europe, if i read this right then most of Europe is already, if not will be very soon, a green zone and the "vaccine passport" green travel cert will be irrelevant until any potential autumn wave mostly affecting anti-vaxxers getting their immunity the hard/ traditional way

This is great news, fingers crossed we’ll drop into the green zone by late June. Then no need for tests! Even getting the under 6s exempted is a positive.

irelandrover wrote: »

So will Ireland allow travel from the 1st or will they stick to The 19th. I assume they'll stick to the 19th but it could see them lose a lot of tourism if everywhere else in the EU opens from the 1st

They'll stick to the 19th, caution and all that! None of restaurants and pubs will be open indoors on July 1 and we are also not under as much pressure to open tourism as some countries. Ours will be largely home driven this summer.

munchkin_utd wrote: »

thats my optimistic reading of it. If Orange is over 75 then green must be under , and the article says that theres no restrictions to travel to a green area so to me that means no test or cert needed.

No restrictions could mean no quarantine - but last year green zones (leaving crazy bonkers Ireland to one side) had free travel with no test or quarantine so you'd think they would have it on the same lines this year .

I understand that as no tests from a green area with the cert. This is all part of the digital cert scheme.

munchkin_utd wrote: »

fresh off the paper, the latest proposal for the EU (including Ireland?)

- kids under 6 exempt from tests
- 1 vaccine dose is good for travel if countries allow that already in other circumstances
- green list (remember that) lives on, and no vaccination cert or tests needed for there
- threshold for green list increased (loosened)
- antigen tests are to be allowed (but can Ireland pull an exemption to make it dearer/ less attractive to travel with a PCR)
- handbrake for countries that are worried about variants

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/only-children-under-6-exempt-from-covid-testing-for-travel-abroad-under-new-eu-rules-40486851.html

with infection numbers plummeting across europe, if i read this right then most of Europe is already, if not will be very soon, a green zone and the "vaccine passport" green travel cert will be irrelevant until any potential autumn wave mostly affecting anti-vaxxers getting their immunity the hard/ traditional way

A couple of posters here must be losing it with the stress

Del Griffith wrote: »

A couple of posters here must be losing it with the stress

not me.

Was on holidays in Italy all last week - but I dont live in the country with the strictest harshest and longest lockdown in the EU, and strictest and harshest travel restrictions in the EU - so could go to Italy and back with an antigen test and at the Austria and Italian Borders (or Austrian and German on the way back) we werent stopped to ask for tests or anything despite checkpoints at the border. Its like being back in the refugee crisis again, border checks that do little more than create traffic jams !

Anyhow, as for the proposals, I've that figured out - because how can you expect journalists to do anything more than copy press announcements word for word.

The commission is taking the existing framework and tweaking it.
The green list still remains at a threshold of 25 cases per 100k per fortnight AND positivity rate <4 - so it'll be a long time yet before any country is on that - and that includes world beater Ireland.

I am still presuming that green means no restrictions, literally nothing.
The text as I read it does say that.

“Member States should in principle not refuse the entry of persons travelling from other Member States.
Member States that consider necessary to introduce restrictions to free movement on grounds of public health, based on their own decision-making processes, could require persons travelling from an area classified as ‘orange’ pursuant to point 10 to be in the possession of a test certificate issued in line with [EU Digital COVID Certificate Regulation].........

For those who want more than irish independent "journalism", heres the original text of the October 2020 framework
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A02020H1475-20210202

and heres the tweaks
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/1_en_act_part1_v3-1.pdf

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Literally nothing. Go live your life!

You don't perceive any questions at the airport by police or airport staff? These hypothetical family members would have Rep of Ireland passports

munchkin_utd wrote: »

The green list still remains at a threshold of 25 cases per 100k per fortnight AND positivity rate <4 - so it'll be a long time yet before any country is on that - and that includes world beater Ireland.

I am still presuming that green means no restrictions, literally nothing.
The text as I read it does say that.

For those who want more than irish independent "journalism", heres the original text of the October 2020 framework
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A02020H1475-20210202

and heres the tweaks
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/1_en_act_part1_v3-1.pdf

Thanks. Now the interpretation of the following text is critical:

"Member States should not restrict the free movement of persons travelling to or from another Member State’s areas classified as ‘green’ pursuant to point 10."

So, let's imagine that Ireland is green and your holiday destination is orange.

Does that mean Ireland cannot require a PCR test on return? That would be odd.

Sam Hain wrote: »

Just tell them you're living your life or some other tragic adage you see posted here.

Disappointed travel restrictions are coming to an end?

northcider85 wrote: »

You don't perceive any questions at the airport by police or airport staff? These hypothetical family members would have Rep of Ireland passports

Not at all. Half the y counties travel on ROI passports and it's not the job of the NI police service to enforce that idiot Donnellys rules.

Once you are in the 6 counties you are only subject to the travel restrictions there.

I'll be leaving from there myself in a few weeks.

So will travel from the uk right now be stricter than ever ? My family’s flight is getting closer (weekend after next ) and I don’t know what’s going to happen with it for them ..
They are only coming for a weekend so not even here long enough to do the 5 day self isolation ... I wonder are they checking how many days your here to self isolate for or are immigration just saying self isolate when you arrive
The annoying thing is that we wouldn’t even be doing anything anyway because nothing is open so we would all be at home and in the garden catching up

Tazz T wrote: »

I understand that as no tests from a green area with the cert. This is all part of the digital cert scheme.

Big if true! Based on last week's case data, which I posted a couple of days back, I would estimate the following countries will be under the 75 mark in the next week or two and therefore green following the update:


Italy, Germany, Austria, Portugal, Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland, Finland, Slovakia, Romania, Malta

My friends father has passed away - and her sister lives in Scotland - can she fly over for the funeral? or would she have to quarantine for 12 days? She has had 1 vaccine ..