Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

King Mob wrote: »

No, again you don't seem to have actually read my post or the article.

Pot calling the kettle there Chief, neither you or the other fact checker even bothered to read the piece that prompted you to post.

End of discussion as your incapable of it, all i'm seeing is people trying to win the internet who haven't the smarts to do independent research or critical thinking before posting. You've added nothing only getting your knickers in a twist over nothing and deflecting from the subject at hand with every post.

The Nal wrote: »

They lifted restrictions too fast. Opened up for tourism in March. 80% of the cases were unvaccinated. 2/3rds of cases had mild or no symptoms.

Next...

That's one possible scenario, next one please as there's quite a few.

It is funny watching a conspiracy theorist (drunkmonkey in this case) trying to cast everyone else as a conspiracy theorist to make their own theories try and look in any way sane.

As if trying to bring everyone else down to crazy town will work.

astrofool wrote: »

It is funny watching a conspiracy theorist (drunkmonkey in this case) trying to cast everyone else as a conspiracy theorist to make their own theories try and look in any way sane.

As if trying to bring everyone else down to crazy town will work.

Crazy is using CNN and Bloggers to fact check Nobel prize winners and respected academics, now back in the pen before I whistle for Shep.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's one possible scenario

Your (and my) opinion is irrelevant, thats actually whats happened.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ahh they did read back.

I have read this thread.
You evidently have not. This might be because you seem very desperate to avoid points and questions that counter what you believe.

So why are you doing this when "you are just asking questions"?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ohh you read somethings and it didn't agree with your conspiracy narrative so you failed to see it, what a surprise.

Your posts are becoming more and more incoherent.

And you also seem to be sticking to this really odd, childish tactic of "nuh uh, you are!"
It's a little embarrassing for you.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not proposing a conspiracy theory.

You have falsely claimed several things and then ran away and started these ridiculous tactics when you were challenged.

At this stage you are just demonstrating that you weren't "just asking questions".
You were trying to push a false conspiracy narrative, and now you're upset that people have called you out on it.

So maybe, if you'd like to actually discuss things without playground tactics, you could explain why you are being so dishonest to push your narrative?

Or maybe you could go back and show that your claims aren't falsehoods. Like for instance you could show where the CNN article was wrong.

Or if you like, you can continue as you are and continue demonstrating why conspiracy theories like yours shouldn't be taken seriously.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Crazy is using CNN and Bloggers to fact check Nobel prize winners and respected academics, now back in the pen before I whistle for Shep.

The other sources were provided. You admitted "Nobel prize winner" theory was bunk.

You keep claiming to be objective about all this, but you are raising a lot of red flags.

King Mob wrote: »

Again, more dodging and incoherency.

So yea. You're not being honest. You are not objective.
You believe in a very odd conspiracy, yet you can't be honest about it and you have to constantly lie and dodge to defend it.

I was honest, you called me a liar, your the conspiracy theorists from where I'm standing.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was honest, you called me a liar, your the conspiracy theorists from where I'm standing.

There's 2 possibilties:

a) you're trolling and getting a kick off people replying to crazy nonsense in one of the few vaccine threads you're still allowed to post in
b) you really believe some of this stuff, ignoring what other posters are saying and believe that everyone is conspiring against you, so yes, from your warped perspective everyone else is in on it

If the answer is a, it's a bit worrying, but fine overall, digital ink isn't really wasted.

If the answer is b, I would be worried for your mental health and would strongly advise reaching out to a GP (hopefully you have someone who you believe isn't part of the conspiracy that you can chat to).

Either way, we've jumped the covid vaccines safety shark completely at this stage.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

he's a conspiracy theorists without having the faintest idea why it's there in the first place.

You are a conspiracy theorist, because amoung other things you have claimed that the CNN is engaged in a propaganda campaign for some reason. You keep avoiding elaborating on this however.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wanted an educated discussion about the thoughts of the so called cranks in relation to how things are progressing.

And you were supplied these thoughts. You avoided and ran away from them and then also made false claims to avoid them.

So clearly you didn't want a discussion.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That has failed to materialize for the simple reason there's too many conspiracy theorists in this thread all looking to prove themselves as non conspiracy theorists by saying as little as possible about the subject at hand.

Lol again, no. We're not proposing a conspiracy theory.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Anyways i'm finished farming for the day, Shep, oh Shep!

And another childish tactic is to declare anyone who dares to disagree with you a sheep.
It's also a little silly to declare that you're storming off in a huff. Especially when it's the second time you've done so.

GT89 wrote: »

Someone dies after taking the shot, we have to wait, it can't be as a result of taking the shot.
Someone dies with the kung flu, it has to be the kung flu. It cannot be as a result of them being old, fat, had type 2 diabetes or had some other underlying condition. See the hypocrisy.

Racist bull**** aside, you are wrong.
This lie has been debunked again and again.
The people who have died due to covid have been verified to have died due to covid.
The people on lists conspiracy theorists keep misrepresenting have not been verified to have died from the vaccine (or any other side effect).

You guys, are now claiming that all of these deaths must be due to the vaccine despite what the actual source of the data says and despite all of the previous protests about "of covid or with covid".
Again, the only hypocrisy on display is from conspiracy mongers.

And again, it will be ignored and avoided and all the same debunked arguments will be spewed out again.

good video on vaccine safety...


http://www.brighteon.com/d819fbd8-6c09-492e-a033-183ab884928d

harrylittle wrote: »

good video on vaccine safety...


http://www.brighteon.com/d819fbd8-6c09-492e-a033-183ab884928d

No. It's not. It's outright propaganda and lies.
The very first claim is same lie that started this thread. It says that the Adverse effects reports are definite side effects.
It also doesn't mention that the VAERS data specifically states that it can't be used to determine this.
This video is a slick production, so they aren't idiots. They know that's what the website says. They're outright lying.

The second claim is that they make vague unsupported claims about long term side effects. And even asks "what about parents passing on side effects to their children". This is pure fantasy and outright scaremongering.

Third claim is that the vaccines aren't a vaccine. Which is completely false.
It also seems to refer to other vaccines as "a theory".

Fourth claim is that they describe the method by which the mRNA works using scary terms like "hacking" and uses scary looking art. Again, blatant fearmongering.
They then also claim that the mRNA in the vaccine might alter your DNA, which is a lie.

The next section, they just list chemicals and use scientific terms to make them sound scary. Of course they do nothing to show any of these chemicals are in any way dangerous. They just have scary names. It then says the same chemicals are in fertiliser.
Chemicals like sodium chloride...
Outright scaremongering and deception here specifically aimed at people with little scientific knowledge.

And this is only about 4 mins in...

Next claim is that the vaccines haven't been test. Lie.

They then claim that the vaccines aren't effective. Lie.
To try and back up this lie, they ask "why are you being asked to keep wearing a mask after vaccination" and "why do some people still get infected".
It then outright completely twists and misrepresents the findings of the studies into the vaccines.

It then pushes Hydxychloroquin and vitamins as a real cure.

It claims the government is "silencing doctors."

It then goes on to repeat the same canards about the low rates of death from covid.
What I find funny here is that here they go into percentages and only talk about death. Yet they didn't do any of that for the other figures they claim to be using in their other lies. For example, they make no mention of the percentages of the vaccine's effectiveness or the prevalence of the side effects of the vaccine.

The then claims PCR tests aren't effective. Lie.

It then finishes out by insinuating that lockdowns don't work and covid numbers are being inflated. All lies.

Then it tells you not to get the vaccine.

Frankly, this video is ****ing disgusting. It filled with outright lies at every opportunity. The lies are so obvious and blatant, the people behind the production must know they are lies, yet they tell them anyway.
And it's all done in a format and tone that is meant to target very specific groups of people.

Utterly vile.

So harry, what was good about it?
I suspect you are not going to answer any of these criticisms and you're ignore them and pretend as if they don't exist. Which is fine. That will just show that my points can't be addressed.

How about other conspiracy theorists and anti-vaccinationists on the thread? What did you think of the video? Is this the kind of thing you're behind?
Again, I expect this question will be ignored as none will want to actually support such disgusting propaganda, but none will want to acknowledge a negative about their fellow conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers.

Also, if anyone wants a laugh, have a look at some of the other titles of videos on that site.
My fave is the one about the vaccine enforcing robots.

harrylittle wrote: »

show proof of the long term testing of these covid 'vaccines' .

"

Here:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety.html
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/index.html


Address all of my points directly, with evidence please.
Cherry picking one point to contend out of 14 minutes of pure utter lies is nonsense.
It's dishonest and cowardly.