Outdoor dining summer 2021

13-05-2021 8:46am #1

Plans are coming through for street space to be freed up for outdoor dining in the city this summer. It looks to be a mix of a couple of street closures, one-way systems and parking removal.

The council haven't provided clear communication on it yet but here's the current drawings;

https://twitter.com/CllrJConnolly/status/1392524292705898499?s=19

https://twitter.com/OwenHanleyLives/status/1392529177807659013?s=19

13-05-2021 10:20am

This might be more digestible!

https://twitter.com/GalwayCityCo/status/1392757582150971394?s=19

Mrs OBumble · 13-05-2021 11:04am

I'd love to know what venues in Raven's Terrace and The Small Crane are going to be providing the "dining" part of this.

what_traffic · 13-05-2021 11:12am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'd love to know what venues in Raven's Terrace and The Small Crane are going to be providing the "dining" part of this.

Thats a good question.

berrecka · 13-05-2021 11:23am

I thought the obligatory food element was going to be removed, with no wet pub nonsense. So outdoor for pints as well as food.

13-05-2021 11:24am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'd love to know what venues in Raven's Terrace and The Small Crane are going to be providing the "dining" part of this.

For The Small Crane I'd assume Massimo's, Mona Lisa, Urban Grind, Wooza, maybe Kai...

For Ravens Terrace you have Gourmet Tart, Monroe's, maybe other eateries from Upper Dominick Street. There was a food market here before, perhaps they'll do that.

Fitz* · 13-05-2021 12:28pm

Overall, this is a fantastic initiative.

Would this mean that the parking spots in Woodquay will be removed and replaced with outdoor dining?
If so, that is great. I love the Woodquay area, so this will be an even larger incentive to go there now.

what_traffic · 13-05-2021 12:48pm

Fitz* wrote: »

Overall, this is a fantastic initiative.

Would this mean that the parking spots in Woodquay will be removed and replaced with outdoor dining?
If so, that is great. I love the Woodquay area, so this will be an even larger incentive to go there now.

Ya a certain amount will be - mentioned in recent Council meeting
I think Woodquay has great potential, its sheltered and if central area is used its not in the shade for afternoons and evenings..

all the notices for temp closure of roads for the summer period were in todays Galway Advertiser
also available here
https://www.galwaycity.ie/latestnews

ben.schlomo · 13-05-2021 1:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For The Small Crane I'd assume Massimo's, Mona Lisa, Urban Grind, Wooza, maybe Kai...

For Ravens Terrace you have Gourmet Tart, Monroe's, maybe other eateries from Upper Dominick Street. There was a food market here before, perhaps they'll do that.

Salt House were offering a food option recently, saw it on their social media. I'm assuming they were getting it from somewhere else and maybe reheating in there.

Mrs OBumble · 14-05-2021 2:05am

VanWildcard wrote: »

For The Small Crane I'd assume Massimo's, Mona Lisa, Urban Grind, Wooza, maybe Kai...

Woozza Sea Rd don't do eat-in. Kai, Urban Grind, Massimos cannot actually see The Small Crane from their premises, I hardly think their waiting staff can realistically manage seated dining there.

Mona Lisa are best placed, it has interesting Health and Safety implications for waiting staff crossing a road.

VanWildcard wrote: »

For Ravens Terrace you have Gourmet Tart, Monroe's, maybe other eateries from Upper Dominick Street. There was a food market here before, perhaps they'll do that.

Gourmet Tart offer takeaways, not table service. Monroes - see above, hard to manage what they cannot readily see.

I went past there tonight, the Salthouse appear to have abandoned the food part of their offering. Raven's Tce was simply a public drinking area.

14-05-2021 8:44am

Mrs wrote: »

Woozza Sea Rd don't do eat-in.

So what? Outdoor dining still keeps groups outside instead of meeting indoors and ordering pizza in.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Kai, Urban Grind, Massimos cannot actually see The Small Crane from their premises, I hardly think their waiting staff can realistically manage seated dining there.

It's common in many countries where outdoor dining is the norm that there is seating in a main square and the restaurant/kitchen might be around the corner.

Hopefully it'll not be seats dedicated to restaurants or bars, better as a shared dining area and have order points for food - like a food market or a hawker centre.

irish_major · 14-05-2021 11:08am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'd love to know what venues in Raven's Terrace and The Small Crane are going to be providing the "dining" part of this.

There is literally about 5 different options for food within about a 30 second walk from Ravens terrace.

Mrs OBumble · 19-05-2021 10:13pm

VanWildcard wrote: »

It's common in many countries where outdoor dining is the norm that there is seating in a main square and the restaurant/kitchen might be around the corner.

Hopefully it'll not be seats dedicated to restaurants or bars, better as a shared dining area and have order points for food - like a food market or a hawker centre.

And in that scenario, who is responsible for managing the queue to get in?
Cleaning up after people? Chucking out the one-bowl-of-chips-and-27-pints brigade, troublemakers and lingerers?

FWIW, I'm hearing that seats will be allocated to local venues.

19-05-2021 11:55pm

What does it matter if people prefer pints over food? Or want to linger?

It's about providing space and facilities for people to socialise safely outdoors. Restaurants and bars can profit from that and provide jobs but the emphasis should be on providing a safe social space for the next few months.

As for the cleanup, provide the bins and people will use them.

irish_major · 20-05-2021 9:49am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And in that scenario, who is responsible for managing the queue to get in?
Cleaning up after people? Chucking out the one-bowl-of-chips-and-27-pints brigade, troublemakers and lingerers?

FWIW, I'm hearing that seats will be allocated to local venues.

I'd say you'll be having a lot of fun when things open back up

Mrs OBumble · 23-05-2021 12:20am

VanWildcard wrote: »

It's about providing space and facilities for people to socialise safely outdoors. Restaurants and bars can profit from that and provide jobs but the emphasis should be on providing a safe social space for the next few months.

Nope.

There's plenty of space for people to socialise safely outdoors - they're doing it already up and down the canals, Long walk etc.

It's about providing businesses with additional space they can use to make money to pay their rates and employ staff. In the hope that those businesses can survive until Covid is further under control and people can be served safely indoors again.

The space which is being made available will have to be managed carefully to maximise the earnings.

And so will the punters behaviour, so that local residents don't suffer too many adverse consequences: Most of the businesses have planning conditions which control how much noise etc can spill out of the premises, and banning takeaways. Those conditions are not being enforced at present, but they weren't imposed before for the LOLZ.

VanWildcard wrote: »

As for the cleanup, provide the bins and people will use them.

Yeah, 'cos that works so well in McDonalds / Supermacs / etc. :rolleyes:

23-05-2021 1:13am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

There's plenty of space for people to socialise safely outdoors - they're doing it already up and down the canals, Long walk etc.

They can't legally meet in those places for a social drink. If that's considered an adequate solution and the public streets are for private business use only then they should at least add a temporary exemption to the city bye laws.

Fitz* · 02-06-2021 1:39pm

Some streets have now been removed from the pedestrianisation plan.

I get the impression that the council just want to shut everything and everywhere. Less work and effort for them.

https://twitter.com/Galwaybayfmnews/status/1400033787824820229?s=19

John_Rambo · 02-06-2021 1:48pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yeah, 'cos that works so well in McDonalds / Supermacs / etc. :rolleyes:

They're not restaurants. They're fast food collection & drive through facilities. Different clientele altogether. The outdoor eateries won't be fly tipping their rubbish from their cars and tables will be waited and cleared by staff.

02-06-2021 2:10pm

Fitz* wrote: »

Some streets have now been removed from the pedestrianisation plan.

I get the impression that the council just want to shut everything and everywhere. Less work and effort for them.

https://twitter.com/Galwaybayfmnews/status/1400033787824820229?s=19

Ah the old "due to health and safety concerns" cop out!

Fitz* · 02-06-2021 2:24pm

VanWildcard wrote: »

Ah the old "due to health and safety concerns" cop out!

The delayed realization of seeing how under prepared they are, after seeing the reaction to what happened in Dublin over the last week, coupled with how little facilities were available at the Spanish Arch and what happened there. Putting out a few bins won't solve this problem!

Zzippy · 02-06-2021 2:27pm

Fitz* wrote: »

Some streets have now been removed from the pedestrianisation plan.

I get the impression that the council just want to shut everything and everywhere. Less work and effort for them.

https://twitter.com/Galwaybayfmnews/status/1400033787824820229?s=19

there were objections to the inclusion of the streets in the scheme because it would impact emergency service access and response times.

Presumably Mill St and the fire station had concerns. City manager: Just leave everything open so. Rather than think about it for two seconds and maybe, I dunno, close half the street with the other side left as an emergency vehicle lane only? Jeez, we might lose some car parking revenue! :eek:

Pen Rua · 02-06-2021 5:28pm

VanWildcard wrote: »

Ah the old "due to health and safety concerns" cop out!

Emergency services access through main routes of the city is not a cop out.

Mrs OBumble · 02-06-2021 5:54pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

They're not restaurants. They're fast food collection & drive through facilities. Different clientele altogether. The outdoor eateries won't be fly tipping their rubbish from their cars and tables will be waited and cleared by staff.

McDs and Supermacs are also non-assigned tables restaurants, where people dine-in.

IMHO, outdoor dining tables need to be assigned-seating, waited and served by staff.

Other posters said "no need for table service, let people order from the restaurant hatches, and eat at any available table".

Under that model there is no one assigned to clean the tables. Posters claimed that if rubbish bins/bags were around, diners would clean up after themselves. Like magic. We know they don't do this in Supermacs. Why would we believe they will outside?

siochain · 02-06-2021 7:31pm

Hi Folks,

Looking for recommendations in Galway city for next Sunday and Monday to eat out with the kids and wife. A pint or two would be a bonus. I know things are't really open until Monday the 7/6 any recommendations would be welcome.

cheers

02-06-2021 8:43pm

Pen Rua wrote: »

Emergency services access through main routes of the city is not a cop out.

Scrapping plans for entire areas instead of adapting is a cop out. City council always look for any excuse for inaction.

Give them a mile and they'll take an inch.

John_Rambo · 02-06-2021 9:02pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

McDs and Supermacs are also non-assigned tables restaurants, where people dine-in

No dining in at the moment. McDonalds and Supermac diners, particularly drivers are more likely to fly tip.

Pen Rua · 02-06-2021 9:10pm

VanWildcard wrote: »

Scrapping plans for entire areas instead of adapting is a cop out. City council always look for any excuse for inaction.

Give them a mile and they'll take an inch.

Who in this thread knows for a fact the council did not try to adapt and instead went for immediate cancellation? Right now we’re only guessing. Perhaps the emergency services have said partial road closures are not suitable.

While I do understand why the council have made this decision, I can only imagine how it feels for the businesses affected who have spent €€€ on getting set for outdoor dining on the closed roads.

what_traffic · 02-06-2021 9:14pm

Pen Rua wrote: »

Emergency services access through main routes of the city is not a cop out.

main routes? Hardly
Whats interesting is that it was the HSE who wanted this rather than the Gardai or the Fire Service who are both based in the very close proximity of these streets. Something does not add up

what_traffic · 02-06-2021 9:16pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Presumably Mill St and the fire station had concerns. City manager: Just leave everything open so. Rather than think about it for two seconds and maybe, I dunno, close half the street with the other side left as an emergency vehicle lane only? Jeez, we might lose some car parking revenue! :eek:

It was HSE based on News reports I have heard on the Radio today and here
https://connachttribune.ie/dominick-street-upper-and-lower-set-to-be-removed-from-city-pedestrianisation-plan-for-outdoor-dining/
"
the HSE objected to the inclusion of the streets in the scheme because it would impact ambulance access and response times.
"

Mrs OBumble · 02-06-2021 10:18pm

The Blue Note's Facebook is saying:

... Dominick St Upper (ambulance service objection) and (Garda observation). Why did they not consult the emergency services before putting the plan in the paper? Also no to William St West and Small Crane for NO OBVIOUS REASON.

I'd imagine residents of the Small Crane and streets behind it were none-to-thrilled with the idea.

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