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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #782
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    gozunda wrote: »
    Where are you getting this from?

    Getting what from?


  • #783
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People won't use antigen tests instead of PCR tests. They use them instead of nothing. When they have no symptoms but want another bit of reassurance before meeting friends.


  • #784
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    AdamD wrote: »
    People won't use antigen tests instead of PCR tests. They use them instead of nothing. When they have no symptoms but want another bit of reassurance before meeting friends.
    Some people.


  • #785
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    People won't use antigen tests instead of PCR tests. They use them instead of nothing. When they have no symptoms but want another bit of reassurance before meeting friends.

    Without symptoms is when you cannot use an antigen test. You need to be symptomatic for the test to be any bit reliable.


  • #786
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Some people.

    Yes so shouldn’t the messaging be made clearer.

    Instead of disapproving of selling antigen tests and promoting distrust of them (especially when they may yet become a useful part of monitoring), why not explain that if you’re symptomatic in any way, you need to get a PCR test.

    The CDC recommends a PCR after a negative antigen result in a symptomatic person.

    If antigen positives are picked up from asymptomatic or presymtomatic people in even only 30% of cases, where is the downside?


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  • #787
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Philip Nolan’s tweet is very odd. How is an antigen test snake oil?

    His attempt at humour just comes off as arrogant and unprofessional.

    I can see GPs not liking antigen kits as they erode a revenue stream for them but overall I would have thought them to be a good idea?

    Yea its poor. Their not perfect but the general consensus from scientists more qualified to speak about these tests is that they can help mitigate risk.


  • #788
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    AdamD wrote: »
    People won't use antigen tests instead of PCR tests. They use them instead of nothing. When they have no symptoms but want another bit of reassurance before meeting friends.

    Exactly, as I have done very recently.

    If they want the public to use them in the same way, maybe a bit of education wouldn’t be a bad thing. Explain that they are a useful tool when one has no symptoms or concerns and just wants peace of mind when meeting others, but they are no substitute when there’s symptoms or deemed a close contact. People are meeting anyway, so it’s not a bad thing and something else in our armour.


  • #789
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    If antigen positives are picked up from asymptomatic or presymtomatic people in even only 30% of cases, where is the downside?
    The 70% of people who then have covid and think and act like they don't.


  • #790
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Without symptoms is when you cannot use an antigen test. You need to be symptomatic for the test to be any bit reliable.

    The UK are offering antigen testing for free for these with no symptoms. They are also doing antigen testing before their experimental events, ie the nightclub in Liverpool, having a full house at the snooker finals last week, surely if they were that unreliable they’d be doing PCR testing instead.


  • #791
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The UK are offering antigen testing for free for these with no symptoms. They are also doing antigen testing before their experimental events, ie the nightclub in Liverpool, having a full house at the snooker finals last week, surely if they were that unreliable they’d be doing PCR testing instead.

    It seems that people who really know what they are talking about are calling out Nolan on this.

    https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1391228033500160003?s=21


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  • #792
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Ah come on.....People have low expectations of a supermarket chain when it comes to advertising. A person in his position has different standards to uphold.

    You say doctors refer where necessary but the problem is if you go in with pretty much any ailment and it’s automatic PCR test- my wife had a bad gastric problem a couple of weeks ago and went to the docs, more because she was becoming dehydrated from not being able to hold fluids down- referral for PCR. I’ve heard a good few similar stories so can understand why people are somewhat sceptical about the status quo, especially when other countries are using antigen tests without ridicule from senior health professionals.

    "Ah come on" is a persuasive argument is it? Ok ...

    But yes supermarkets and their advertising is supposed to be held to strict standards. Odd some don't seem to be pointing that out. But no matter.

    And as detailed doctors 'refer' patients for tests. So there's no 'revenue stream' from that testing for them as implied by previous poster. If you don't mind I won't comment on the anecdotal stuff all the same.

    I think one of the issues is we have a supermarkets trying to make money from flogging these and do so on the back of people's health concerns. They're Not offering some special service to people - if you want you can already buy those tests online fairly cheaply.

    The main issue though is when done at home the research shows they're much less accurate (under 60%) than when the same test is done by professionals

    d41586-021-00332-4_18844374.png


  • #793
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Couldn't believe my ears listening to that muppet Donnelly on Radio 1. Asked a question about potential surplus of vaccines for under 50s later in the summer, owing to unavailability of J&J for those age groups. "We would consider sending our excess to less fortunate countries in August and September." The cheek of him after his repeated boasts of 80% achieved by end of June. Stop stalling, get the entire country vaccinated and allow us our lives back.


  • #794
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Getting what from?

    This ...
    lawred2 wrote:
    Check has he a vested interest in PCR testing!


  • #795
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Lumen wrote: »
    It's not mentioned in the article, but Texas is at about 40% first doses, and about 10% confirmed cases per capita cumulatively. Assuming the cases are underreported, they might have 60% with a good degree of immunity.

    For Ireland those numbers are more like 25%, 5% and 35%. So we're barely half way there. Plus unknown effects of weather and variants.

    Not long now though...

    True but I don’t think they were like 40% in March...Not comparing to Ireland - not getting into that debate! Just find it fascinating - Biden said they were crazy in March to do what they were doing yet seems to have worked out...Also don’t think Texas is that warm in March so can’t use the warm weather reason...Just find it interesting - would like to hear from an expert on why it worked out that way...


  • #796
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    They were very weird comments from Nolan. I didn't see the same type of energy to criticise the 50% of people who were turning up to walk in centres with symptoms even when they were told not to come if had any. These tests would have helped quite a few of those donuts no doubt.


  • #797
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The UK are offering antigen testing for free for these with no symptoms. They are also doing antigen testing before their experimental events, ie the nightclub in Liverpool, having a full house at the snooker finals last week, surely if they were that unreliable they’d be doing PCR testing instead.

    Not all antigen test are the same or as accurate.

    For example the main Antigen test bought by the US government - the Ellume test - can be used on people who have symptoms, and perhaps more importantly, those who do not have symptoms.  Not all Antigen tests offer this.

    There's also a huge difference in accuracy for your average punter doing these tests at home and them been done by professionals

    https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-021-00332-4/d41586-021-00332-4_18844374.png


  • #798
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The UK are offering antigen testing for free for these with no symptoms. They are also doing antigen testing before their experimental events, ie the nightclub in Liverpool, having a full house at the snooker finals last week, surely if they were that unreliable they’d be doing PCR testing instead.

    I have no idea why the UK are offering the at home test kits. They're a colossal waste of money for that purpose imo. Really smacks of security theatre rather than security action.


  • #799
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Corholio wrote: »
    They were very weird comments from Nolan. I didn't see the same type of energy to criticise the 50% of people who were turning up to walk in centres with symptoms even when they were told not to come if had any. These tests would have helped quite a few of those donuts no doubt.

    No idea whether Nolan is right or wrong but would expect a bit more professionalism...


  • #800
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    True but I don’t think they were like 40% in March...Not comparing to Ireland - not getting into that debate! Just find it fascinating - Biden said they were crazy in March to do what they were doing yet seems to have worked out...Also don’t think Texas is that warm in March so can’t use the warm weather reason...Just find it interesting - would like to hear from an expert on why it worked out that way...

    Texas in March ....

    Texas was recording about as many cases per day as the UK on average, despite having a population less than half the size.


  • #801
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    gozunda wrote: »
    This ...

    And?


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  • #802
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Even Gerry Killeen now believes the "end is in sight" inspit os fueling panic the last few weeks.

    https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1391376665629102085


  • #803
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Couldn't believe my ears listening to that muppet Donnelly on Radio 1. Asked a question about potential surplus of vaccines for under 50s later in the summer, owing to unavailability of J&J for those age groups. "We would consider sending our excess to less fortunate countries in August and September." The cheek of him after his repeated boasts of 80% achieved by end of June. Stop stalling, get the entire country vaccinated and allow us our lives back.

    The end is not Ireland vaccinated, it’s the world. We will largely by back to normal in July or august however


  • #804
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    lawred2 wrote: »
    And?

    Simply asked several times now. This is your original comment and subsequent posts

    Where are you getting this from?
    lawred2 wrote: »
    Check has he a vested interest in PCR testing!
    lawred2 wrote: »
    Getting what from?
    lawred2 wrote: »
    And?

    So again whats your source for the allegation or is it just made up ?


  • #805
    Worztron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Worztron


    For how long will the CV19 vaccines be effective?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #806
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,328 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    lawred2 wrote: »
    And?

    And how about you explain your insinuation?

    It was a simple enough ask but you've snidely side-stepped it every time.


  • #807
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Probably half pissed while entertaining...

    Restrictions are only for the plebs

    Quite bizarre comment


  • #808
    Route1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Route1


    Seems genuinely in the midst of being over in the UK. 10k back in stadiums in the next couple of weeks. What a joy to behold.


  • #809
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    gozunda wrote: »
    Texas in March ....

    Texas was recording about as many cases per day as the UK on average, despite having a population less than half the size.

    70,000 spectators at an indoor event in Texas this morning, not a mask to be seen. No negative test or proof of vax needed.


  • #810
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    70,000 spectators at an indoor event in Texas this morning, not a mask to be seen. No negative test or proof of vax needed.

    Texas atm ...

    Slightly over 50 percent of the state’s population over the age of 16 — about 11.3 million people have been vaccinated for COVID-19 with one dose and 37 percent have been fully vaccinated.

    So at similar levels of vaccinations to the UK, Israel etc for opening up


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  • #811
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The 70% of people who then have covid and think and act like they don't.

    But if antigen testing was being used by people who have no symptoms (which is a simple message to convey), then by your logic without the testing 100% of those people would have covid and think and act like they don’t.

    It’s a quick and cheap tool. Personally I think they should be freely available and administered by someone trained, but in absence of that, once an explanation for their use is clear, then there really are no drawbacks I can see.


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