Scottish independence

pixelburp wrote: »

So Galloway and Dumfries remains Tory. The entire border still a unionist stronghold then. I mean sure, it makes sense when looking at the history of the location (*side eyes Berwick*) but you'd imagine that might be where resistance or agitation starts against another ref. Heck, to get completely wild, could those areas petition to join England were there a breakaway nation? Berwick 2.0, albeit minus the bloodshed.

Well the border counties in Northern Ireland are traditionally more pro united Ireland. It might boil simply down to geography, though I guess that doesnt explain why the point furthest north keeps voting liberal democrat.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It's laughable to watch the BBC coverage regarding the SNP. Trying to make it out that they have somehow lost the election because they haven't got a majority, which they always said would be extremly difficult to achieve considering the Additional Member System is designed to prevent one party getting an overall majority.

Despite this it looks like they will increase their number of seats and are within a fraction of an overall majority. Then you have the pro-independence Green's doing resulting in a clear majority of the new parliament in favour of independence. The national question is very much back on the agenda.

It was never off the agenda though.

Andrew Bowie (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine MP) just on BBC trying to make out that there's no mandate for a referendum because the SNP didn't win an overall majority. So we can see that this is where the narrative will go.

pixelburp wrote: »

TBH all I know of the border areas is a) there was a Pro14 rugby team (Border Reivers), and b) it's traditionally very unionist. Culturally though, would it swing Scots or North England, to be reductionist? History repeats so I'd spare no confidence independence wouldn't be messy, hence my crazy idea of Scotland starting smaller, England getting a little larger.

Just to answer this, the Borders are very much Scottish, but their position in the border puts them in an unusual position in Scotland. Because of the geography of the country with so many people living in central Scotland and up the east coast, relatively few people actually live on or near the border - there are only three or four border constituencies. But those that do often have links on both sides, many work in places like Carlisle and Berwick, but live in Scotland. The idea of a physical border doesn't suit them, so they oppose it by voting Tory.

The Scottish borders also includes a significant minority of English people who have migrated across the border for various reasons, they also very much lean Tory.

No prospect of redrawing the border though, it will be all or (more likely) nothing.

Final FPTP constituency seats are in and it is an absolute humping victory for the SNP. The media are using FPTP comparisons with the AMS system in use, any impartial commentator should be stating that if the election was carried out like they do in Westminster then the result is below

Number of seasts: 73
SNP: 62
Tory: 5
Lib Dems: 4
Labour:2

As for the tactical voting from the Labour party voters, this sums it up quite well

https://twitter.com/gwpurnell/status/1390994909277077504

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Final FPTP constituency seats are in and it is an absolute humping victory for the SNP. The media are using FPTP comparisons with the AMS system in use, any impartial commentator should be stating that if the election was carried out like they do in Westminster then the result is below

Number of seasts: 73
SNP: 62
Tory: 5
Lib Dems: 4
Labour:2

As for the tactical voting from the Labour party voters, this sums it up quite well

https://twitter.com/gwpurnell/status/1390994909277077504

Anyone know what the popular vote is?

That would be a more accurate indication as to SNP power and who would vote yes in a referendum

Should not really matter what the BBC tell Scottish people, SNP and Holyrood do not serve them

Johnson will not give them a referendum, Scotland needs to grow some

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Johnson has sent a letter to Sturgeon, inviting her to join him, the Welsh First Minister, and the First and Deputy Minister of NI, to "a summit meeting to discuss our shared challenges and how we can work together in the coming months and years to overcome them."

Letter had an embargo on it until 10:30pm but BBC Scotland have revealed it early.

https://twitter.com/John_McKee/status/1391083909144891392

https://twitter.com/ChrisGreenNews/status/1391082838125162501

https://twitter.com/severincarrell/status/1391081596208435205


My initial impression is that this is primarily about Johnson trying to kick the independence issue into the long grass.

Reading that letter, I wonder is it a parody account. It basically says fcuk your independence, we'll have a chat around the fireside, you'll calm down and we'll be grand.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Glasgow Election Region Results 2021 Greens miss out on a seat by 913 votes.

Conservative 37027 Two seats
Green Party 36114 One seat
Labour Party 74088 Four seats



Scottish National Party (SNP) got 133917 votes and Zero seats

Just on this - a right wing fascist ran in Glasgow and some other regional lists under the name "Independent Green Voice". He was higher up the ballot paper than the green party and polled around 2000 votes in Glasgow.

Almost certainly mostly green voters that put an X in the wrong box and seems to have cost the Greens a second seat in Glasgow.

pixelburp wrote: »

But at the risk of being too lazy to Google, wasn't Hollyrood a Blairite labour initiative in the first place, presumably then including the election methodology?

I doubt it would have got the same cross-party support (everyone except the Conservatives) if it was slated to just use FPTP.

SNP now on 64 seats, one short of a majority.

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1391109607565766661?s=20

What a disappointment for the SNP this has been...

pixelburp wrote: »

But at the risk of being too lazy to Google, wasn't Hollyrood a Blairite labour initiative in the first place, presumably then including the election methodology?

Yes, it happened under his watch in 1999(i think).