The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Itssoeasy · 18-04-2021 10:00AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not saying is should go against him, I'm saying it does. It took 11 years for Terrell Davis to get in and it shouldn't. He was ridiculously good.

As far as every a
player is concerned I look at their career and decide if I think they should get in or not.

I believe that Edelman and Heinz Ward should get in. Edelman's postseason numbers and his clutchness are hugely important in that. The same goes for Ward.

The issue of playing getting in too soon or too late or not at all is one of the issues I have with the pro football hall of fame(name is a bit misleading) is the way it’s voting process is open to abuse. I mean yes art moddel did the city of Cleveland dirty, but because of the Cleveland member of the press on the committee he’ll never get in.

AbusesToilets · 18-04-2021 02:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not saying is should go against him, I'm saying it does. It took 11 years for Terrell Davis to get in and it shouldn't. He was ridiculously good.

As far as every a
player is concerned I look at their career and decide if I think they should get in or not.

I believe that Edelman and Heinz Ward should get in. Edelman's postseason numbers and his clutchness are hugely important in that. The same goes for Ward.

Edelman doesn't have the stats, relative to other players, but he definitely fits the criteria of NFL myth. He's had so many big moments in the playoffs. They should almost have a separate HOF just for the playoffs, might alleviate some of these issues, and allow recognition of deserving players

eagle eye · 18-04-2021 03:48PM

AbusesToilets wrote:

Edelman doesn't have the stats, relative to other players, but he definitely fits the criteria of NFL myth. He's had so many big moments in the playoffs. They should almost have a separate HOF just for the playoffs, might alleviate some of these issues, and allow recognition of deserving players

He doesn't have the regular season stats you mean, he certainly has the postseason stats.
Which is more important? Doing it in important knockout games or regular season games.
I think if you are behind only Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the postseason then you certainly have to be seriously considered for the Hall.

18-04-2021 05:33PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He doesn't have the regular season stats you mean, he certainly has the postseason stats.
Which is more important? Doing it in important knockout games or regular season games.
I think if you are behind only Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the postseason then you certainly have to be seriously considered for the Hall.

He just played a lot of postseason games because he played with the brady bb pats

Itssoeasy · 18-04-2021 05:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He doesn't have the regular season stats you mean, he certainly has the postseason stats.
Which is more important? Doing it in important knockout games or regular season games.
I think if you are behind only Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the postseason then you certainly have to be seriously considered for the Hall.

Except Jerry rice isn’t in the HOF for just his postseason play though now is he ? No, he’s in there for his entire body of work over his career. We can all find ways to using certain stats to make a point. We won’t know how much his career means until 2026 and we see where he gets to in the process of that years class.

18-04-2021 05:49PM

At the very least I'm glad to have learned that this is not just talking heads nonsense and people do think he has a shot

Itssoeasy · 18-04-2021 06:00PM

Lily Thoughtless Swimmer wrote: »

At the very least I'm glad to have learned that this is not just talking heads nonsense and people do think he has a shot

Any player of note has a shot nerd but it’s a bit early to be getting this deep into whether he will get in or not when he’s just announced it and as far as I know hasn’t made it official. Let’s see what happens.

Shedite27 · 18-04-2021 07:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He doesn't have the regular season stats you mean, he certainly has the postseason stats.
Which is more important? Doing it in important knockout games or regular season games.
I think if you are behind only Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the postseason then you certainly have to be seriously considered for the Hall.

Yeah you have to look past the stats sometimes don't ya. It's all well and good knocking up massive yards, but there has to be more weighting to doing it in the playoffs.

eagle eye · 18-04-2021 08:03PM

Itssoeasy wrote:

Except Jerry rice isnâ€™t in the HOF for just his postseason play though now is he ? No, heâ€™s in there for his entire body of work over his career. We can all find ways to using certain stats to make a point. We wonâ€™t know how much his career means until 2026 and we see where he gets to in the process of that years class.

Jerry Rice is the GOAT receiver, regular season or postseason.
I'm saying if you are second to him in either than you have to be seriously considered for the Hall.

Blut2 · 19-04-2021 12:15PM

Half joking, but still. Edelman was undoubtedly a very good receiver, but with such a talented cast around him it does take away from it. I don't think he (or Jordy, unfortunately) are HOF quality.

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 12:34PM

Blut2 wrote:

Half joking, but still. Edelman was undoubtedly a very good receiver, but with such a talented cast around him it does take away from it. I don't think he (or Jordy, unfortunately) are HOF quality.

Can you compare their playoff stats?

raze_them_all_ · 19-04-2021 01:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you compare their playoff stats?

Playoff stats mean even less for me tbh edelman bar last year I don't think missed a post season so had more opportunities than a lot of players.

19-04-2021 02:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you compare their playoff stats?

If you add in playoff stats he's still behind nelson is that what your asking?

Per playoff game if you exclude the regular season he may or may not be slightly ahead I'd wager per game they may be the same

Foxtrol · 19-04-2021 02:10PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Playoff stats mean even less for me tbh edelman bar last year I don't think missed a post season so had more opportunities than a lot of players.

Yeah, carving out 'playoff stats' is another very weird US sport thing to do - especially cumulative stats for a specific player that plays such a small part in the overall team success.

I can maybe reach to understand it for other US sports when the team is small and/or they play in an extremely long season (which can really mess with data) but for football, when teams are so large and the regular season has only been 16 games long, it makes absolutely no sense.

Being a PED cheat isn't going to help Edelman's case either. I know many presume that most of the league is doing similar but it can put off voters even if it wasn't such a huge reach in the first place.

19-04-2021 02:12PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Yeah, carving out 'playoff stats' is another very weird US sport thing to do - especially cumulative stats for a specific player that plays such a small part in the overall team success.

I can maybe reach to understand it for other US sports when the team is small and/or they play in an extremely long season (which can really mess with data) but for football, when teams are so large and the regular season has only been 16 games long, it makes absolutely no sense.

Being a PED cheat isn't going to help Edelman's case either. I know many presume that most of the league is doing similar but it can put off voters even if it wasn't such a huge reach in the first place.

Not to mention if he was megatron for example he probably moves at some point and has less games. His being an average reciever that happened to fit well into the pats offence got him more playoff appearances.

heyjude · 19-04-2021 03:37PM

Edelman was never considered an elite WR during his career as evidenced by his never being named all pro or making a pro bowl, yet somehow his 3 Superbowl rings seem to have led to the idea that he deserved Hall of Fame consideration. Yet there are other more deserving candidates to be considered before Edelman.

Compare the career stats for Cliff Branch(who played in a less pass friendly era)

Cliff Branch 501 rec - 8,685 yds - 67 TDs. 20 career playoffs appearances - 3 Superbowl wins and held playoff rec and TD records until surpassed by Jerry Rice. 4 time Pro bowler, 3 time first team All-Pro, led NFL in receiving yards once and in TDs twice

Julian Edelman 620 rec - 6,822 yds - 40 TDs(36 receiving and 4 returns). 19 career playoffs appearances . 3 Superbowl wins. Never made Pro Bowl or All Pro. Never led league in receiving yards or TDs

Yet despite his career stats comparing favourably with other pro bowl receivers of his era, Branch has never even been a Hall of Fame finalist(he has a semi finalist in 2004 and 2010), so if his 3 Superbowl rings, 4 Pro bowls, 3 all pro and superior yardage and TD totals weren't enough to even be a Hall of Fame finalist, then Edelman should be a long way down the list for consideration.

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 03:47PM

Lily Thoughtless Swimmer wrote:

Per playoff game if you exclude the regular season he may or may not be slightly ahead I'd wager per game they may be the same

Nelson played 13 times in the playoffs catching 54 balls for 688 yards.
Edelman played 19 games with 118 catches for 1442 yards.

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 03:47PM

Cliff Branch should be in the hall, it's a disgrace that he isn't.

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 03:53PM

And Branch, Gronk, Andre Reed and Reggie Wayne all played more playoff games than Edelman and have less receiving yards

Xavi6 · 19-04-2021 03:56PM

Alex Smith is retiring. It’s remarkable that he came back from one of the worst injuries I’ve seen in sports and was a functional QB with Washington. I liked him a lot at the Chiefs too. He was a solid but unspectacular pair of hands and was a good influence on Mahomes by all accounts.

16 years is a very good innings. Video announcement below.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CN2j9LohMi4/?igshid=8njua9vg1ueq

Foxtrol · 19-04-2021 04:30PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Alex Smith is retiring. It’s remarkable that he came back from one of the worst injuries I’ve seen in sports and was a functional QB with Washington. I liked him a lot at the Chiefs too. He was a solid but unspectacular pair of hands and was a good influence on Mahomes by all accounts.

16 years is a very good innings. Video announcement below.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CN2j9LohMi4/?igshid=8njua9vg1ueq

He dealt with a lot of crap during his time at the 49ers as well, always a great pro. Glad he has retired though, last season was very uncomfortable to watch.

Foxtrol · 19-04-2021 04:31PM

Watson's lawyers releasing their response to the claims against him.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1384176998394712064?s=20

raze_them_all_ · 19-04-2021 05:15PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Watson's lawyers releasing their response to the claims against him.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1384176998394712064?s=20

If they have actual texts and **** like they claim this will only end in a win for watson

19-04-2021 05:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And Branch, Gronk, Andre Reed and Reggie Wayne all played more playoff games than Edelman and have less receiving yards

Sounds like a prime candidate for the playoffs hall if fame

Itssoeasy · 19-04-2021 05:21PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

If they have actual texts and **** like they claim this will only end in a win for watson

Which explains why he wants this to go to trial.

raze_them_all_ · 19-04-2021 05:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nelson played 13 times in the playoffs catching 54 balls for 688 yards.
Edelman played 19 games with 118 catches for 1442 yards.

So what you are saying is with only 8 games extra olayed Nelson grades out better over all??

I'm a packers fan and I don't think Nelson deserves in

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 05:21PM

Lily Thoughtless Swimmer wrote:

Sounds like a prime candidate for the playoffs hall if fame

There's only one hall of fame. If you split it into regular season and playoffs then nobody would care about the regular season one.

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 05:28PM

raze_them_all_ wrote:

So what you are saying is with only 8 games extra olayed Nelson grades out better over all??

How are you making that out?
I was talking about the postseason, you suggested that Nelson's stats would match but their don't. He'd have 1k receiving yards given the same number of games as Edelman, that's a long way behind Julian.

raze_them_all_ wrote:

I'm a packers fan and I don't think Nelson deserves in

He's borderline for me, I thought he was a great player. He had quite a few really outstanding seasons.

raze_them_all_ · 19-04-2021 05:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

How are you making that out?
I was talking about the postseason, you suggested that Nelson's stats would match but their don't. He'd have 1k receiving yards given the same number of games as Edelman, that's a long way behind Julian.

He's borderline for me, I thought he was a great player. He had quite a few really outstanding seasons.

I never mentioned jordy Nelson??

eagle eye · 19-04-2021 05:34PM

raze_them_all_ wrote:

I never mentioned jordy Nelson??

I see now it was nerd but you did mention Nelson when you quoted me.

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