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Dental implant

  • 15-04-2021 1:36pm
    #1
    nojoke89
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭


    Hi there 👋 just coming on here to see if if anyone has experience with dental implants in Cork or Galway? I have been calling around to a few dentists and the prices seems to really vary between them. I have gotten pretty high quotes (€6,200) and the lowest being in and around €3,000 (estimates) for two dental implants before CT scan. I know implants are going to be expensive but paying almost €6,200 or more is unfortunately out of budget for me just now 🥴 just hoping anyone can sign post to a reliable and affordable implant dentist please, thanks in advance


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  • #2
    con747
    Registered Users Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭con747


    nojoke89 wrote: »
    Hi there �� just coming on here to see if if anyone has experience with dental implants in Cork or Galway? I have been calling around to a few dentists and the prices seems to really vary between them. I have gotten pretty high quotes (€6,200) and the lowest being in and around €3,000 (estimates) for two dental implants before CT scan. I know implants are going to be expensive but paying almost €6,200 or more is unfortunately out of budget for me just now �� just hoping anyone can sign post to a reliable and affordable implant dentist please, thanks in advance

    Poster in the same situation here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116870064

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #3
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    You are not going to get an accurate quote over the phone, only an estimate. My guess is the lower quote is for implant only, and the higher quote is implant/abutment/crown and possibly a graft which is often needed. To get a quotation which applies specifically to your needs, you need to sit in the big chair, not ask on the phone.


  • #4
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    6k ????

    is it any wonder people go abroad for dental treatment


  • #5
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Most implants are around 3k each, 6k is on the extreme end of expensive.

    People go abroad cause they dont understand what they are doing and usually end up spending twice as much in the long run. But thats been done to death on here.


  • #6
    s8n
    Registered Users Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭s8n


    why is it so expensive ?


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  • #7
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    s8n wrote: »
    why is it so expensive ?

    I always wonder why people would think that having 2 or 3 different professionals work on you in a clinic, surgically installing screws into your jaw bone and then making the custom teeth on top, checking and maintain the case for years would be cheap?


  • #8
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    s8n wrote: »
    why is it so expensive ?

    The component and laboratory costs are high, and the treatment is complex and specialised. Dentures are a lot less expensive for the same reasons.


  • #9
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Dental care in Ireland has become unaffordable. I saw a recent survey and something like 80% of people put off dental work because of cost. Thats insane.

    I paid 2500 which when I priced around seemed on the higher end. Most places were quoting 2000.

    My only advice is go to a clinic where their main work is implants and that sort of dentistry, someone that can deal with any possible complications. Maybe do one tooth at a time?


  • #10
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    jrosen wrote: »
    Dental care in Ireland has become unaffordable. I saw a recent survey and something like 80% of people put off dental work because of cost. Thats insane.

    I paid 2500 which when I priced around seemed on the higher end. Most places were quoting 2000.

    My only advice is go to a clinic where their main work is implants and that sort of dentistry, someone that can deal with any possible complications. Maybe do one tooth at a time?

    Could you link please to that survey.


  • #11
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Could you link please to that survey.

    No unfortunately not, it was some article that I stumbled upon and read when I was looking for average costs on other dental work I need done.


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  • #12
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    jrosen wrote: »
    No unfortunately not, it was some article that I stumbled upon and read when I was looking for average costs on other dental work I need done.

    Was there a break down of what treatment was being put off? Essential or cosmetic?

    It seems at odds with the fact that a significant proportion of the population have medical cards which entitles them to free essential treatment, a further significant proportion of the population are covered by their PRSI for free examinations and low cost cleanings, and, as most Dentists are not struggling for patients, 80% would seem an extraordinarily high number to claim treatment is being postponed due to cost. At that percentage the downward force on fees would be impossible to ignore.

    Gonna have to call BS on that one I’m afraid.


  • #13
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    No mention of cosmetic so assumed essential. Medical card patients aside getting one clean a year still means anyone without a medical card is solely responsible for their dental work. Add into that families that are covering the cost of adult and children it can add up and its absolutely plausible that people are needing to put off dental work because of costs.

    Look at the above poster, out of the blue he needs approx 6k. Thats alot of money to need a short notice.


  • #14
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    jrosen wrote: »
    No mention of cosmetic so assumed essential. Medical card patients aside getting one clean a year still means anyone without a medical card is solely responsible for their dental work. Add into that families that are covering the cost of adult and children it can add up and its absolutely plausible that people are needing to put off dental work because of costs.

    Look at the above poster, out of the blue he needs approx 6k. Thats alot of money to need a short notice.

    Are implants essential? The poster does not need to find 6k, there are considerably cheaper quotes and it is highly unlikely the need for the implants is immediate.

    According to the HSE over 30% of the population of Ireland have medical cards and children under 16 are entitled to free treatment through the HSE irrespective of having a medical card or not, albeit it can be difficult to access.

    One third of Dentists have left the medical card scheme in the past year, that is not likely to have occurred if their business could not be sustained through private fees.

    Implants will never be considered routine nor essential treatments, taken in conjunction with the overall treatments provided to the population, they are a minute percentage of the total treatment and patient numbers.

    The 80% figure is BS, I’ll assume the survey was the source of that BS though.


  • #15
    Deagol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Are implants essential? The poster does not need to find 6k, there are considerably cheaper quotes and it is highly unlikely the need for the implants is immediate.

    According to the HSE over 30% of the population of Ireland have medical cards and children under 16 are entitled to free treatment through the HSE irrespective of having a medical card or not, albeit it can be difficult to access.

    One third of Dentists have left the medical card scheme in the past year, that is not likely to have occurred if their business could not be sustained through private fees.

    Implants will never be considered routine nor essential treatments, taken in conjunction with the overall treatments provided to the population, they are a minute percentage of the total treatment and patient numbers.

    The 80% figure is BS, I’ll assume the survey was the source of that BS though.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-does-cost-stop-you-from-going-to-the-dentist-2053050-Apr2015/

    Hardly can be BS when it's survey people are answering themselves? I watch this forum on and off and some here are amazingly defensive about dentistry costs. I'd nearly believe them except my own dentists €100k car seems to indicate otherwise as to whether it's an amazingly profitable branch of medicine or the poor dentists are living on the breadline providing care for almost free :P


  • #16
    con747
    Registered Users Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭con747


    Survey is 6 years old so does not reflect up to date numbers.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #17
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Well hopefully for the OP he finds a dentist that can offer this considerably cheaper than the quotes he has had so far because he cant afford it and is going to have to postpone.

    Medical card patients are one part of the puzzle which leaves 70% having to cover their own dental costs in total. The HSE clinics are not just difficult to access, in my experience they are near impossible. They have stopped doing the 4th class check up. Its not fair to say its there as a service because it really doesnt have the capacity anymore in many areas to deal with the growing population so more and more people are needing to go to their own dentists.


  • #18
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Deagol wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-does-cost-stop-you-from-going-to-the-dentist-2053050-Apr2015/

    Hardly can be BS when it's survey people are answering themselves? I watch this forum on and off and some here are amazingly defensive about dentistry costs. I'd nearly believe them except my own dentists €100k car seems to indicate otherwise as to whether it's an amazingly profitable branch of medicine or the poor dentists are living on the breadline providing care for almost free :P

    Thanks for that, yes thats the one I had come across. Didnt actually notice the date on it.


  • #19
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Deagol wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-does-cost-stop-you-from-going-to-the-dentist-2053050-Apr2015/

    Hardly can be BS when it's survey people are answering themselves? I watch this forum on and off and some here are amazingly defensive about dentistry costs. I'd nearly believe them except my own dentists €100k car seems to indicate otherwise as to whether it's an amazingly profitable branch of medicine or the poor dentists are living on the breadline providing care for almost free :P

    Can you see the paradox in what you posted? If 80% if the population were putting off treatment, how would the sector be profitable?.

    I’m not being defensive, the market sets the rate, if Dentists are paid what the market will bare, they are being paid what they are worth.

    Why do you think dental treatment should be cheap?


  • #20
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    jrosen wrote: »
    Well hopefully for the OP he finds a dentist that can offer this considerably cheaper than the quotes he has had so far because he cant afford it and is going to have to postpone.

    Medical card patients are one part of the puzzle which leaves 70% having to cover their own dental costs in total. The HSE clinics are not just difficult to access, in my experience they are near impossible. They have stopped doing the 4th class check up. Its not fair to say its there as a service because it really doesnt have the capacity anymore in many areas to deal with the growing population so more and more people are needing to go to their own dentists.

    The HSE may not be going to schools anymore or calling whole classes for examinations, but they do remain accessible for emergency/essential treatments. Parents often bring their children to private clinics because the waiting periods are long for appointments in the HSE, but if you wait, the service is free. You can’t get much cheaper than free.


  • #21
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Of course a sector needs to be profitable, but that doesn't mean its affordable for people to access.

    The HSE may say one thing on its website but thats not whats being delivered. People are being refused, children are not being seen. Services are being pulled. This has been happening for years. I was actively encouraged by the HSE dentist to find my own dentist. She said they are unable to provide the services they used too. Recently someone posted looking for recommendations for a pediatric dentist who could remove teeth with sedation as the HSE dentist said the child required sedation but they could not do it. I would think if a tooth needs to come out thats essential yet they couldnt offer it.


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  • #22
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭NSAman


    nojoke89 wrote: »
    Hi there �� just coming on here to see if if anyone has experience with dental implants in Cork or Galway? I have been calling around to a few dentists and the prices seems to really vary between them. I have gotten pretty high quotes (€6,200) and the lowest being in and around €3,000 (estimates) for two dental implants before CT scan. I know implants are going to be expensive but paying almost €6,200 or more is unfortunately out of budget for me just now �� just hoping anyone can sign post to a reliable and affordable implant dentist please, thanks in advance

    I know I am going to be slated for saying this BUT I work abroad (in normal times) months at a time. I got my implants (5) while working abroad. 5K for everything. Professor of dentistry (in the main university) did the surgery, crowns were included in the price.

    I priced in Ireland before I started this whole process and the costs we prohibitive. In many cases double if not triple compared to the north of Ireland and multiples compared to abroad.

    Just to let you know, whatever you decide, they are life changing. I had partials before and hated the damage they did to surrounding teeth.


  • #23
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    jrosen wrote: »
    Of course a sector needs to be profitable, but that doesn't mean its affordable for people to access.

    The HSE may say one thing on its website but thats not whats being delivered. People are being refused, children are not being seen. Services are being pulled. This has been happening for years. I was actively encouraged by the HSE dentist to find my own dentist. She said they are unable to provide the services they used too. Recently someone posted looking for recommendations for a pediatric dentist who could remove teeth with sedation as the HSE dentist said the child required sedation but they could not do it. I would think if a tooth needs to come out thats essential yet they couldnt offer it.

    The Government has been underfunding dental services for years, they did not replace their own staff when they left and gutted the medical card dental scheme which used to allow people access to comprehensive care. Did anyone complain to their local TDs?

    Some treatments, like implants will never be affordable to the general public, but only a minute percentage of the public want implants, and fewer again need them, in almost all cases it is an elective treatment. I have no doubt there are people who cannot afford the treatments they would like to have, but it’s rubbish to say 80% of people put off treatments because of costs, this is simply not borne out by the facts relating to free access to treatments and how busy private clinics are.


  • #24
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    NSAman wrote: »
    I know I am going to be slated for saying this BUT I work abroad (in normal times) months at a time. I got my implants (5) while working abroad. 5K for everything. Professor of dentistry (in the main university) did the surgery, crowns were included in the price.

    I priced in Ireland before I started this whole process and the costs we prohibitive. In many cases double if not triple compared to the north of Ireland and multiples compared to abroad.

    Just to let you know, whatever you decide, they are life changing. I had partials before and hated the damage they did to surrounding teeth.

    Interestingly, I checked the prices of implants in Newry/Belfast/Omagh/Enniskillen recently, prices differences were negligible in most compared to ours, some were more expensive, mostly around the £1.7k - £2.5k mark.


  • #25
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Dav010 wrote: »
    The Government has been underfunding dental services for years, they did not replace their own staff when they left and gutted the medical card dental scheme which used to allow people access to comprehensive care. Did anyone complain to their local TDs?

    Some treatments, like implants will never be affordable to the general public, but only a minute percentage of the public want implants, and fewer again need them, in almost all cases it is an elective treatment. I have no doubt there are people who cannot afford the treatments they would like to have, but it’s rubbish to say 80% of people put off treatments because of costs, this is simply not borne out by the facts relating to free access to treatments and how busy private clinics are.

    Ive never had a medical card so cant speak to it and it wont help the majority of the population anyway.

    If you think that poll is rubbish so be it, but I dont.


  • #26
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Interestingly, I checked the prices of implants in Newry/Belfast/Omagh/Enniskillen recently, prices differences were negligible in most compared to ours, some were more expensive, mostly around the £1.7k - £2.5k mark.

    Possibly. I got the procedure done a few years ago. Since then I have not checked on pricing. Hopefully, prices have reduced as they we crazily expensive in Ireland.


  • #27
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    NSAman wrote: »
    Possibly. I got the procedure done a few years ago. Since then I have not checked on pricing. Hopefully, prices have reduced as they we crazily expensive in Ireland.

    The north prices have increased, closer in line to ROI now. Especially the border counties.


  • #28
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    did you hear the woman on Liveline last week she couldn't find a dentist in co clare that would accept medical card holders...is this common nationwide?


  • #29
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    fryup wrote: »
    did you hear the woman on Liveline last week she couldn't find a dentist in co clare that would accept medical card holders...is this common nationwide?

    Yes. One third of all participating dentists have left the medical card scheme in the past year alone.


  • #30
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    no money in it for them? or do medical card holder's breath smell bad?


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  • #31
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Dentists dont consider how patients breath smells except when diagnosing gum disease. However I do detect the smell of trolling.

    The medical card scheme has been chronically underfunded since the recession. It limits treatment to those you expects only in 3rd world countries which makes working within the limits of the scheme professionally unsatisfying for dentists and does a disservice to patients. And any practice that allows their patient base to a high percentage of medical card patients can become uneconomical to run.

    Each dentist decides for themselves what kind of dentistry they want to do. Its not the patients that are the problem ( over 1/4 of the population have medical cards which is also ridiculous but thats another story) its the scheme and the low quality of dentistry it expects dentist to do such are its limitations and restrictions.

    There is a underlying pervasive tone that dentists are greedy, covetous and uncaring on this forum. This is far from the truth. Dentists like any highly trained profession doing a dirty and necessary job for the public, dealing with nervous and scared people all day, and making thousands of clinical and business decisions every week. Dentists like any group of workers are not all the same. Some earn very little money, some earn average amounts, some earn lots. Depends on a lot of factors. I often ask people would they prefer that the dentist injecting them and drilling into the nerves in their teeth was stressed out with money worries, or lived a relaxed middle class life?

    Its also worth pointing out that because a individual cannot afford a thing, does not make that thing unaffordable. It only means that individual is unwilling or unable to pay for it.


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