Mercedes EQS

Cd of just 0.20, that must be the best of any mass produced car ever made? Should mean it has a very decent range at motorway speeds. Very important im Vaterland

When will we see this on the roads though? I'm loving the start of a bit of competition finally in the high end of the market after Tesla's 10 year total dominance. This Mercedes, the Lucid air. The continuously improving Model S. All cars I would hope to be able to buy when they are about 6-8 years old and depreciated a good bit.

unkel wrote: »

Of course I would. If a battery problem would come up an indy will sort it for me or I would even do it myself.

Funny thing is that nothing ever changes in people's mind set, does it? The guts of 20 years ago I bought a brilliant car, a BMW 735i for €11k, which was a good bit cheaper than the €130k it would have cost new. Back then everyone was thinking I was mad

Everyone was thinking I was mad when I bought a brand new Ioniq in 2017. Cost me €25k, sold it 3 years later for €20k. Who is mad exactly?

My Tesla is worth a lot more than what I paid for it over a year ago. Brilliant car, so far ahead of the game, it's unreal.

In a few years time you’d be telling us about the Merc you got for a fraction of what you would have normally paid
Can’t wait for it lol

unkel wrote: »

Cd of just 0.20, that must be the best of any mass produced car ever made? Should mean it has a very decent range at motorway speeds. Very important im Vaterland

When will we see this on the roads though? I'm loving the start of a bit of competition finally in the high end of the market after Tesla's 10 year total dominance. This Mercedes, the Lucid air. The continuously improving Model S. All cars I would hope to be able to buy when they are about 6-8 years old and depreciated a good bit.

Tesla is finished in the high end of the market; even in China they sell less than 1k annually, whereas a car like the X5 sells 50k annually, with Lexus having the largest sales of any high end import model. Will be interesting to see what the new S-class sells in China this year.
Models S/X Q1 sales came in at less than 3k globally. These products are effectively dead.

ted1 wrote: »

2% for EV vs ICE is really good.

The S/X got a much needed refresh and sales were down as a result, as orders were paused as was production. But Musk did say in 2019 they make them
More for sentimental reason

I think what you meant to say is ICE is dying.

Yip, you can’t really be comparing apples to oranges, but this really should give Tesla the fear for their top end. The S and X needed far more than the refresh it got. They can distract with weird steering wheels and acceleration times, but they needed a whole new car to compete with what’s coming (and already there).

Looks like they've sacrificed styling to achieve that CD. A bit disappointint -- the headline range numbers are very impressive, but if I'm buying a Merc, I'd happily sacrifice that for more distinctive styling. Perhaps it'll be better in the metal.

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Looks like they've sacrificed styling to achieve that CD. A bit disappointint -- the headline range numbers are very impressive, but if I'm buying a Merc, I'd happily sacrifice that for more distinctive styling. Perhaps it'll be better in the metal.

Mercedes have been producing pig ugly cars ever since they discovered rounded corners in the early 2000s.

One day I'll buy myself a dictator spec 600, flags and all.

ted1 wrote: »

2% for EV vs ICE is really good.

The S/X got a much needed refresh and sales were down as a result, as orders were paused as was production. But Musk did say in 2019 they make them
More for sentimental reason

I think what you meant to say is ICE is dying.

ICE is dying and I never said otherwise; I am just saying that the luxury segment of the market is likely to remain in the hands of the current incumbents as Tesla imcreasingly disappears from the high value, high margin market

Unfortunately for Tesla shareholders, the company isn't valued based on 5% market share of all passenger vehicles. That's the size of Daimler, whose market cap is 1/8 of Tesla.

Tesla's story is about translating it's incredible US EV market share (80% I think) into global domination, becoming the Apple of EVs. Currently it's around 30% in Europe and 10% in China.

What Tesla really need is a European design studio. Global platform with local styling. It's just a skateboard underneath, right?

slave1 wrote: »

Nope, Tesla just one car away from full line up and that's the Tesla 2, smaller version of the 3.
Then we'll have the Premium S and X and Roadster, high volumes Y and 2 and 3 and that will be it for Tesla passenger vehicles as I believe after that they are done and will keep that lineup forever with just facelifts and incremental changes over the years.
Cyber/Semi/Powerwall with finish off rest of Tesla battery production capacity, so just Solar and Supercharger network and that's the company done and dusted.
Very focused PLC.

No chance - can’t make money on small cars and Tesla no exception.
Stock is priced for unending growth and 20m units annually out of a global market of 100m cars so anything less will cause a collapse in the share price

Jizique wrote: »

No chance - can’t make money on small cars and Tesla no exception.
Stock is priced for unending growth and 20m units annually out of a global market of 100m cars so anything less will cause a collapse in the share price

Tesla’s market price is based on the future potential, its infrastructure (which is better than anyone else’s in the states) and the fact that currently is it the leader in innovation.

Think about it, leading the charging infrastructure is an amazing feat.

While I have driven the Tesla line up and yes it is fun, the only other I have tested is the lucid air...it’s like a completely different level of car. Can’t wait to get my hands on a few more like the EQS.

Someone said Mercedes has built dog-ugly cars recently, I would disagree. The design of merc’s has improved incredibly. This eqs is odd alright buy you can be damned sure it will be a winner.

The looser in design from the big companies is BMW ...talk about ugly cars lately!

ted1 wrote: »

That’s if you look at the small picture , like a traditional ICE manufacturer.
They’ve a huge set of infrastructure in their charging network. Their solar and battery division is growing especially at Grid scale. The robotaxis when they get going will be a big revenue Generator. Think Uber but they own the entire chain

Dream on - FSD coming next quarter every quarter since 2016.
No axe to grind but FSD will not be a thing this decade, they won’t make money in small cars, and other OEMs are not as far behind as you think.
For starters, there is no market for small cars in the US.

ted1 wrote: »

FSD will get there.
They have the cyber truck for the states. Big mark up, no paint job, all pressed metal, etc.
America makes up a small % of the whole world. While they have no market for small cars, Europe, Africa, South America and Asia do

Not entirely true.

2020 approx 73 million cars sold. China 24million USA 18 million

While small cars are more popular in Asia and Europe, there is a trend starting in USA for more efficiency (finally) hence EV like Tesla are very prevalent on the roads.

LorenzoB wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/best-selling-cars-suvs-pickups-2020/?amp

Still buying more petrol trucks than anything

“Still” is a strawmans word. Is the number diminishing ? Upto the time they didn’t, prole bought Nokia phones

LorenzoB wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/best-selling-cars-suvs-pickups-2020/?amp

Still buying more petrol trucks than anything

True, and that is not going to change in the foreseeable future. Unlike most countries, you drive to live here. Spending upwards of 3 hours a day commuting comfort wins.

Plus it is SO easy to purchase a car here, unlike Ireland.