Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

04-04-2021 06:47AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The days of non essential travel are over unless the virus is eradicated but that is very doubtful that can ever happen. Governments will not let us travel because of the variants. I’m guessing by autumn most countries if not all will be on the quarantine list and will be for many many years :mad: That is the message the government is saying, it’s plain obvious.

Ah Mickey Mickey Mickey, No One is giving that message and it's really not obvious at all. You need to step back and chill for a little while. Everybody wants travel to return, and it will.

Ray Donovan · 04-04-2021 09:14AM

Boris getting geared up for UK travel from May 17th. Must figure out the logistics later of how this would affect travellers residing in the “Free State” who wish to fly from Belfast.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/uk-to-set-out-plans-for-return-of-international-travel-and-live-events-1174881

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 09:25AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Boris getting geared up for UK travel from May 17th. Must figure out the logistics later of how this would affect travellers residing in the “Free State” who wish to fly from Belfast.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/uk-to-set-out-plans-for-return-of-international-travel-and-live-events-1174881

If they pull this off imagine the difference in peoples lifestyles in Cavan vs just across the border in Fermanagh. It would be like 2 different worlds within a stone throw.

Morries Wigs · 04-04-2021 09:29AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The days of non essential travel are over unless the virus is eradicated but that is very doubtful that can ever happen. Governments will not let us travel because of the variants. I’m guessing by autumn most countries if not all will be on the quarantine list and will be for many many years :mad: That is the message the government is saying, it’s plain obvious.

Talking bo11ix there

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 09:32AM

Morries Wigs wrote: »

Talking bo11ix there

I’m actually hoping you are right. I’d have no problem taking that criticism on the chin. At the moment the irish government isn’t filling me with much confidence.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 09:53AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Boris getting geared up for UK travel from May 17th. Must figure out the logistics later of how this would affect travellers residing in the “Free State” who wish to fly from Belfast.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/uk-to-set-out-plans-for-return-of-international-travel-and-live-events-1174881

Yip. UK fully open soon.

Shops , golf , pools , international travel etc

It’s going to be an awful nightmare for NPHET and the government to handle the amount of us heading the UK to avail of our freedom . There won’t be any travel impediment come June legally applicable between us and the UK. (Far too much business and family connections exist there)

About the only thing they can do once this occurs is mount a national “shaming” propaganda exercise to compel us to stay put like good little serfs.

Time to turn off the localisation services on the phone , grab the suitcase ,shades & shorts and wave a tearful bye bye to the most reprehensible, killjoy and cowardly NPHET/Irish government for a couple of months break to normality.
It’ll be a good riddance

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 10:08AM

Side note . Since the introduction of the mandatory hotel quarantine I’m getting chills of the movie “the wicker man” .

We have the hole wicker man vibe going really.

We are stuck on a backward island , the chanting zealots are inescapable, their bowing and all-believing followers are creepy. Let’s hope this all ends better though . Haha

Red Silurian · 04-04-2021 10:29AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Yip. UK fully open soon.

Shops , golf , pools , international travel etc

It’s going to be an awful nightmare for NPHET and the government to handle the amount of us heading the UK to avail of our freedom . There won’t be any travel impediment come June legally applicable between us and the UK. (Far too much business and family connections exist there)

About the only thing they can do once this occurs is mount a national “shaming” propaganda exercise to compel us to stay put like good little serfs.

Time to turn off the localisation services on the phone , grab the suitcase ,shades & shorts and wave a tearful bye bye to the most reprehensible, killjoy and cowardly NPHET/Irish government for a couple of months break to normality.
It’ll be a good riddance

It all kicks off on May 17th, 43 days away... At least our govt and NPHET are competent enough to have a plan in action well before then, right? Right?

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 10:34AM

Their plan ??? Haha . :- NPHET .... “Quick” ... scream “VARIANTS , VARIANTS and VARIANTS” like raving fundamentalists.

04-04-2021 10:37AM

Gael23 wrote: »

It is against fundamental principles of EU membership to put any European country on it.

Im adding this to me "5km limiit" list.

What principle? The one that grants you the right to live and work in another EU state provided you meet that states requirements for residency?

The one that allows for 90 days visa free entry for holiday?

they are the only 2 that represent non nationals entering Ireland and so far quarantine has not denied either.

You know that when Romania joined the EU they remained subject to limits even after membership?

Furthermore, more than one nation has brought in Quarantine for other EU nations. Slovakia and Germany were very strict. Possible more than Im unaware of. Think Poland has it as well

If memory serves, I believe France just completely stopped people entering the country for a period and again, no issue.

Every country demands PCR tests BUT again crucially, you are still allowed enter the country without one. Various nations deal with it in different ways.

This argument that "Denying entry to other eu citizens is a breach of the eu" Is nonsense. Its like saying that Ireland must allow nationals from abroad to only follow their own laws and ignore ours. Thats not what it means. All it means is that they are treated equally and not oppressively and they are because quarantine laws apply to all nationalities including Irish as we saw yesterday.

Every country also retains the right to govern their own systems. Spain issues fines to people that dont register their residency after 90 days. Did you know that? Sure, plenty get away with it by being largely off the radar but the law still exists.

Germany demands German lessons to foreign residents as part of their residency. Again, thats fine.

Putting large EU countries on the list would require clear explaining to those nations and little Ireland doesnt want to do that. Thats the reason, simple as.

Blut2 · 04-04-2021 10:38AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Yip. UK fully open soon.

Shops , golf , pools , international travel etc

It’s going to be an awful nightmare for NPHET and the government to handle the amount of us heading the UK to avail of our freedom . There won’t be any travel impediment come June legally applicable between us and the UK. (Far too much business and family connections exist there)

About the only thing they can do once this occurs is mount a national “shaming” propaganda exercise to compel us to stay put like good little serfs.

Time to turn off the localisation services on the phone , grab the suitcase ,shades & shorts and wave a tearful bye bye to the most reprehensible, killjoy and cowardly NPHET/Irish government for a couple of months break to normality.
It’ll be a good riddance

The UK's very successful vaccination program, and well planned reopening schedule, are the only things giving me hope for Ireland reopening. Once full nightclubs, sporting events, easy travel, normal life etc are in place in Northern Ireland in June theres no way they'll be able to keep us more than a few weeks behind.

Half the population of Ireland will only be an hour or so's drive away from normal life, there'll be floods of people traveling up if we're still in indefinite lockdown at that point. And Belfast airport with probably its busiest summer ever.

If it wasn't for that I'd have no confidence in our government down here reopening before 2022... It'd be "just 6 more weeks to flatten the curve" repeatedly until then. They've shown no desire to lift our longest lockdown in Europe when left to their own devices.

a clanger · 04-04-2021 10:56AM

Flights from Dublin to Malaga for July have actually fallen in price in the last few months.
The equivalent flights from Belfast are even cheaper. The prices are less than half what the airlines charged in 2019.
Obviously at this point the majority have resigned themselves to the fact there will be no foreign holiday in 2021. It will be interesting to see what happens with a general opening up in N. Ireland especially as Donnelly/NPHET and Co here seem to be heading in the opposite direction.
As with most decisions in the south with regard to covid they seem to be made long after the horse has bolted. The majority of the public have long given up on the rules about to be relaxed on the 12th !

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 10:58AM

Blut2 wrote: »

The UK's very successful vaccination program, and well planned reopening schedule, are the only things giving me hope for Ireland reopening. Once full nightclubs, sporting events, easy travel, normal life etc are in place in Northern Ireland in June theres no way they'll be able to keep us more than a few weeks behind.

Half the population of Ireland will only be an hour or so's drive away from normal life, there'll be floods of people traveling up if we're still in indefinite lockdown at that point. And Belfast airport with probably its busiest summer ever.

If it wasn't for that I'd have no confidence in our government down here reopening before 2022... It'd be "just 6 more weeks to flatten the curve" repeatedly until then. They've shown no desire to lift our longest lockdown in Europe when left to their own devices.

I totally agree. That’s exactly how it’d play out. Constant fear mongers 24/7 on the airwaves etc.
This reopening of the UK (and subsequently Northern Ireland) is like a metaphorical stab in the guts for these zealots and I for one can’t wait to turn and twist this knife at the nearest occasion possible and escape.

faceman · 04-04-2021 11:18AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m actually hoping you are right. I’d have no problem taking that criticism on the chin. At the moment the irish government isn’t filling me with much confidence.

This might help ease your fears

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-30/pfizer-and-moderna-research-shows-vaccines-will-save-us

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 11:38AM

faceman wrote: »

This might help ease your fears

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-30/pfizer-and-moderna-research-shows-vaccines-will-save-us

I have no doubt the vaccines will end the pandemic and life within our country will get back to normal but it’s the government’s ‘just incase a variant pops up and brought back into Ireland ‘narrative that could keep our travel restrictions and quarantine ongoing because there will always still be cases somewhere in the world.

hmmm · 04-04-2021 11:51AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have no doubt the vaccines will end the pandemic and life within our country will get back to normal but it’s the government’s ‘just incase a variant pops up and brought back into Ireland ‘narrative that could keep our travel restrictions and quarantine ongoing because there will always still be cases somewhere in the world.

I think once other countries start reopening that position will become untenable - socially and economically. The question is how damage and confusion will they do in the meantime.

For one thing they need to get on board with vaccine/test passports. There is a chance for the Irish tourism industry to make up some lost income later this year I think, but that's not going to happen if Ireland is going for some half-arsed zero-Covid approach.

Chris_5339762 · 04-04-2021 11:56AM

The other problem is that all public servants are, according to a memo, still forbidden from travelling to anywhere other than a green list country without pre-booking two weeks of annual leave for isolation when you come back. And no, you are specifically forbidden from working-from-home during those two weeks.

So that'll eliminate the Northern Ireland route for a good chunk of the population.

This still wouldn't stand up in court, but no-one has fought it yet.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 12:28PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

The other problem is that all public servants are, according to a memo, still forbidden from travelling to anywhere other than a green list country without pre-booking two weeks of annual leave for isolation when you come back. And no, you are specifically forbidden from working-from-home during those two weeks.

So that'll eliminate the Northern Ireland route for a good chunk of the population.

This still wouldn't stand up in court, but no-one has fought it yet.

You don’t need to fight anything

You evoke your god given right to PRIVACY
Turn off your mobile phone and say nothing to anyone about what you and your family are doing in YOUR time off. .
It’s as simple as that.

KanyeSouthEast · 04-04-2021 12:39PM

dalyboy wrote: »

You don’t need to fight anything

You evoke your god given right to PRIVACY
Turn off your mobile phone and say nothing to anyone about what you and your family are doing in YOUR time off. .
It’s as simple as that.

This X 1000

faceman · 04-04-2021 12:48PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

The other problem is that all public servants are, according to a memo, still forbidden from travelling to anywhere other than a green list country without pre-booking two weeks of annual leave for isolation when you come back. And no, you are specifically forbidden from working-from-home during those two weeks.

So that'll eliminate the Northern Ireland route for a good chunk of the population.

This still wouldn't stand up in court, but no-one has fought it yet.

Without trying to bring thread off topic. All the covid work related cases are now going through the Labour court. It’s takes 6-12 months for cases to be heard and many of these cases will be landmark.

Don’t be surprised to hear about that very issue you mentioned coming out any day soon

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 12:54PM

faceman wrote: »

This might help ease your fears

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-30/pfizer-and-moderna-research-shows-vaccines-will-save-us

But what about the variants....

04-04-2021 01:25PM

dalyboy wrote: »

You don’t need to fight anything

You evoke your god given right to PRIVACY
Turn off your mobile phone and say nothing to anyone about what you and your family are doing in YOUR time off. .
It’s as simple as that.

Thats breaking the law. Public servants would therefore be subject to dismissal

a clanger · 04-04-2021 01:46PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Thats breaking the law. Public servants would therefore be subject to dismissal

Lol...good one next you'll be telling us they are accountable !

04-04-2021 02:01PM

a clanger wrote: »

Lol...good one next you'll be telling us they are accountable !

I'm not getting into this rubbish but I do believe the beacon hospital is a PRIVATE hospital and that's why there was no sanction on the CEO?

Oh and the BS in the banks. Let us never forget how the PRIVATE banks ****ed up and those involved got away

However, as far as the actual thread is concerned. The law applies to all equally in regards quarantine though so again, of you don't do it you are breaking the law. In the public sector you will be in trouble and I wouldn't hold me breath waiting for union support

Chris_5339762 · 04-04-2021 02:11PM

dalyboy wrote: »

You don’t need to fight anything

You evoke your god given right to PRIVACY
Turn off your mobile phone and say nothing to anyone about what you and your family are doing in YOUR time off. .
It’s as simple as that.

Great in theory, only you would stand liable to disciplinary action when you get back, if they found out, and regardless of its legality or privacy, you wouldn't get a promotion in future if you tried that one on.

Also no uploading of any photos to facebook or instagram in case a curtain twitcher gets wind and notifies your employer of a disgraceful human going travelling.

I agree where you're coming from, but the reality is a bit more complicated, at least until travel bans die down and this silly rule is rescinded.

stargazer 68 · 04-04-2021 02:15PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Great in theory, only you would stand liable to disciplinary action when you get back, if they found out, and regardless of its legality or privacy, you wouldn't get a promotion in future if you tried that one on.

Also no uploading of any photos to facebook or instagram in case a curtain twitcher gets wind and notifies your employer of a disgraceful human going travelling.

I agree where you're coming from, but the reality is a bit more complicated, at least until travel bans die down and this silly rule is rescinded.

This. I work in a small place. If you go to the doctors everyone knows! No way I would get away with coming back from Spain with a tan and telling the boss to mind his own business where I was!

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 02:30PM

stargazer 68 wrote: »

This. I work in a small place. If you go to the doctors everyone knows! No way I would get away with coming back from Spain with a tan and telling the boss to mind his own business where I was!

But sure you could be “remote camping” in Donegal for all he would know.
I’ve got a tan in loads of breakaways in Ireland in my younger years too so the boss would have to have evidence to call you a liar.

Personally I wouldn’t think twice. I’d be abroad myself.

faceman · 04-04-2021 02:33PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Great in theory, only you would stand liable to disciplinary action when you get back, if they found out, and regardless of its legality or privacy, you wouldn't get a promotion in future if you tried that one on.

Not true anymore

https://twitter.com/groganrichard/status/1378623710496747521?s=21

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 03:21PM

This has huge ramifications if successful https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0404/1207878-courts-quarantine/

normanoffside · 04-04-2021 03:27PM

normanoffside wrote: »

They've also added the Phillipines.
Nice kick in the teeth for a lot of our Healthcare workers.
They are averaging 8k cases a day with a population of 100 Million, equivalent to 200 cases a day here.

I knew this would happen.
Fully vaccinated Fillipino nurse can't go home to see her dying mother.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nurse-devastated-by-cost-of-hotel-quarantine-for-those-travelling-from-philippines-1.4527462?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fnurse-devastated-by-cost-of-hotel-quarantine-for-those-travelling-from-philippines-1.4527462

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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