Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Micky 32 · 03-04-2021 06:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Ahhh Jaysis Mickey!!
will ya stop, it will be grand, everything is not as bad as you seem to think.....

I sincerely hope you are right. But i can’t see them letting this go because they never shut up about the “variants “. That’s the reason MHQ was brought in. If covid can’t be eradicated the threat of variants will always be there. So then how do you ease quarantine with the threat of variants always there?

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 06:32PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I sincerely hope you are right. But i can’t see them letting this go because they never shut up about the “variants “. That’s the reason MHQ was brought in. If covid can’t be eradicated the threatvof variants will always be there.

Micky, they are worried about variants because, with the vaccine rolling happening here, it can get the country back to more or less normal. Once other countries are also vaccinated and have the disease under control, then things will open up to them. There is a worry that a new variant could get in and put us back to zero. I don't want to risk giving up another year because some pair of tits don't want to quarantine after jetting off to Dubai (pun intended)

You can take a quick look at this video https://www.independent.ie/videos/dr-mike-ryan-were-not-going-to-eradicate-covid-19-in-foreseeable-future-40268481.html

Of course, it is up to you whether you think it is a very well qualified person giving his expert opinion, or whether you think he is part of the Illuminati trying to stop you from having any craic

JojoLoca · 03-04-2021 08:49PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure plenty of people feign concern for the edge cases that conveniently suit their narrative.

This thread is about people wanting to go on their holliers. No point pretending otherwise.

If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life.

As a foreign national living in Ireland for the past 17 years, also married to a foreign national, I take offence to what you said here. And I'm not easily offended person.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 08:56PM

JojoLoca wrote: »

As a foreign national living in Ireland for the past 17 years, also married to a foreign national, I take offence to what you said here. And I'm not easily offended person.

It is your choice to take offence.

I am merely pointing out the practical realities of other choices people make.

josip · 03-04-2021 08:59PM

JojoLoca wrote: »

As a foreign national living in Ireland for the past 17 years, also married to a foreign national, I take offence to what you said here. And I'm not easily offended person.

Don't let some of the posters on here get to you Jojo.
If it's intentional on their part, then the mods will sort it out.
If it's not intentional and that's just their personality coming through, then all you can do is pity them really.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:14PM

josip wrote: »

Don't let some of the posters on here get to you Jojo.
If it's intentional on their part, then the mods will sort it out.
If it's not intentional and that's just their personality coming through, then all you can do is pity them really.

Imagine being offended for saying that people could reassess and priortise what is most important to them. They are actually allowed to do that in Ireland!!!

What is this, communist China? You're not allowed to make autonomous decisions?

You're a very sensitive fella! It's the real world dude. Choices have consequences. Good and bad

ninebeanrows · 03-04-2021 09:20PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Imagine being offended for saying that people could reassess and priortise what is most important to them. They are actually allowed to do that in Ireland!!!

What is this, communist China? You're not allowed to make autonomous decisions?

You're a very sensitive fella! It's the real world dude. Choices have consequences. Good and bad

How is this stuff allowed? Pure wind up ****e. If Beasty Mod was not so biased in his opinion, this scoundrel would be banned.

What a shambles.

Corholio · 03-04-2021 09:26PM

It's only saying that you shouldn't have moved away from your family in case a pandemic hit, and that someone should have better priorities than family. Huge lack of empathy and thread gatekeeping, but no big deal on here really of course.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:27PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

How is this stuff allowed? Pure wind up ****e. If Beasty Mod was not so biased in his opinion, this scoundrel would be banned.

What a shambles.

Are you offended too? I have no idea why that poster is offended. They highlighted two points

1) That the further you live away from where you might want to go, the more difficult it could be to get there.
2) That people can take the opportunity to reassess their priorities after the pandemic.

Is it point 1 or point 2 that is controversial? Or both?

I lived abroad for nearly a decade. I knew other Irish people there who made choices. Some eventually decided to come home, especially after having kids (....so that their kids could be near the rest of their family) or so that they could be nearer to their elderly parents.

I knew some others who were settled there full time and knew that they would likely never return and talked about their parents being stuck on their own. I remember one fella from Waterford telling me that his father had passed away and his sister was also abroad so that their mother was on her own. But that she had "good neighbours". And he told me that it was hard on him to know that if something happened, he knew he probably wouldn't be able to just drop things to go back to help her. But that his life was over there now. He had a wife and kids. He was aware of the choice.

So you make your choice based on your own priorities. Those are subjective and personal to you.

normanoffside · 03-04-2021 09:32PM

JojoLoca wrote: »

As a foreign national living in Ireland for the past 17 years, also married to a foreign national, I take offence to what you said here. And I'm not easily offended person.

This is what I am always saying, this policy, supported by all the 'left' politicians is inherently racist and promotes xenophobia.

ninebeanrows · 03-04-2021 09:33PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Are you offended too? I have no idea why that poster is offended. They highlighted two points

1) That the further you live away from where you might want to go, the more difficult it could be to get there.
2) That people can take the opportunity to reassess their priorities after the pandemic.

Is it point 1 or point 2 that is controversial? Or both?

I lived abroad for nearly a decade. I knew other Irish people there who made choices. Some eventually decided to come home, especially after having kids (....so that their kids could be near the rest of their family) or so that they could be nearer to their elderly parents.

I knew some others who were settled there full time and knew that they would likely never return and talked about their parents being stuck on their own. I remember one fella from Waterford telling me that his father had passed away and his sister was also abroad so that their mother was on her own. But that she had "good neighbours". And he told me that it was hard on him to know that if something happened, he knew he probably wouldn't be able to just drop things to go back to help her. But that his life was over there now. He had a wife and kids. He was aware of the choice.

So you make your choice based on your own priorities. Those are subjective and personal to you.

I've reported your post. You are looking for a reaction.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:34PM

normanoffside wrote: »

This is what I am always saying, this policy, supported by all the 'left' politicians is inherently racist and promotes xenophobia.

Will you go away with your xenophobia. My post was to an Irish person who said that half of their family lives abroad.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:35PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

I've reported your post. You are looking for a reaction.

Report all you like. You are entitled to do that.

You can answer the question too. Because I am flummoxed at the source of this imagined offence!

ninebeanrows · 03-04-2021 09:39PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Report all you like. You are entitled to do that.

You can answer the question too. Because I am flummoxed at the source of this imagined offence!

Are you this bored?

Your life is not impacted by these rules.

It's pathetic you see it to ruin the lives of people with family from non Ireland locations.

Think before you type.

People have lives.

You are a despot.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:41PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Are you this bored?

Your life is not impacted by these rules.

It's pathetic you see it to ruin the lives of people with family from non Ireland locations.

Think before you type.

People have lives.

You are a despot.

I've been called a lot of things before but that is a first!

ninebeanrows · 03-04-2021 09:42PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I've been called a lot of things before but that is a first!

I confirmed it was non derogatory:D

a ruler or other person who holds absolute power, typically one who exercises it in a cruel or oppressive way.

You are a chancer

Beasty · 03-04-2021 09:46PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

How is this stuff allowed? Pure wind up ****e. If Beasty Mod was not so biased in his opinion, this scoundrel would be banned.

What a shambles.

Threadbanned

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 09:46PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

I confirmed it was non derogatory:D

a ruler or other person who holds absolute power, typically one who exercises it in a cruel or oppressive way.

You are a chancer

So what is the offensive thing in that post?

(and it would be helpful to keep it related to the thread topic of travel, else we will get in trouble for veering off thread)

The poster who took offence, read offence into where there was none intended or in existence. I can't help that.

DSN · 03-04-2021 10:03PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Will you go away with your xenophobia. My post was to an Irish person who said that half of their family lives abroad.

So an irish person with a non Irish person (shock horror!) settles in Ireland, or abroad in in laws country and suddenly cannot see their parents or family & grandparents who would have seen their grand kids 4/5 times a year b4 covid hit. . Your attitude is well they should have known better than to settle with the love of their lives if they weren't from the same country as them like what the hell?

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 10:07PM

DSN wrote: »

So an irish person with a non Irish person (shock horror!) settles in Ireland, or abroad in in laws country and suddenly cannot see their parents or family & grandparents who would have seen their grand kids 4/5 times a year b4 covid hit. . Your attitude is well they should have known better than to settle with the love of their lives if they weren't from the same country as them like what the hell?

I don't know. This place is gone mad. I was referring to Irish people who either moved abroad, or had family members who moved abroad, and it is now temporarily and unexpectedly inconvenient for them to try to come back and visit. It could give them a chance to reassess. There may not be corona in the future, but they might be far away if someone at home has an emergency and needs them. No malice meant in my point.

Nothing to do who you married. You can marry who you like - black, white, brown, man, woman, sheep, dog - for all I care.

Edit: As mentioned, I lived abroad for a good while. I was lucky that I did not "miss" too many things because of it (Miss might not be an ideal word). One thing I did miss was an uncle's funeral. That was because I was away. Well I would have missed cousins weddings and 21st's and that kind of thing as well. But only one "emergency" thing that I would have attended had I not been so far away.

Edit 2: I wasn't trying to get the other poster threadbanned. I didn't take offence at what he said to me if that helps. I probably did annoy him and cause him to react. I won't do it again if he is let back

03-04-2021 10:19PM

Calm down lads!!!
Obviously anyone who lived far away from family knows it's not easy, but those are the choices that we make.
A woman I work with is in Australia at the moment, she went and did her 2 week quarantine, because that's where her husband lives. That is their choice and that is what they have to do.
My friends father in law was dying in oz & her husband was not given compassionate grounds to miss quarantine, so he wouldn't have seen his father before he died. He didn't go. That's what happens when you live far away from family.

Yeah, it might be **** sometimes, but those are choices that people make. It doesn't mean others are not sympathetic, people are.

I lived away and I missed my niece being born, she was over a year old when I came home, so I missed the first year of her life. Thats the choice I made.

Del Griffith · 03-04-2021 10:37PM

Thread that was previously a good resource for information and discourse has turned into an absolute joke

Corholio · 03-04-2021 10:44PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Calm down lads!!!
Obviously anyone who lived far away from family knows it's not easy, but those are the choices that we make.
A woman I work with is in Australia at the moment, she went and did her 2 week quarantine, because that's where her husband lives. That is their choice and that is what they have to do.
My friends father in law was dying in oz & her husband was not given compassionate grounds to miss quarantine, so he wouldn't have seen his father before he died. He didn't go. That's what happens when you live far away from family.

Yeah, it might be **** sometimes, but those are choices that people make. It doesn't mean others are not sympathetic, people are.

I lived away and I missed my niece being born, she was over a year old when I came home, so I missed the first year of her life. Thats the choice I made.

The phrase used was "If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life"

It's is a pretty low thing to imply that family isn't a priority or that you gotta choose in some sadistic way, a completely and horribly, unnecessary thing to say. It wasn't a casual 'choice' comment. Not happy with trying be travel gatekeeper, now wants to be a life one.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 10:58PM

Corholio wrote: »

The phrase used was "If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life"

It's is a pretty low thing to imply that family isn't a priority or that you gotta choose in some sadistic way, a completely and horribly, unnecessary thing to say. It wasn't a casual 'choice' comment. Not happy with trying be travel gatekeeper, now wants to be a life one.

You interpreted that arseways.

There may be people who were never faced with a family emergency thus far when abroad and who never considered the concept of not being able to make it back in time for something, or not being able to be there to help if someone needs help for a period of time.

Given that the pandemic has highlighted the fragility of everyday logistics that many have come to take for granted, some people might now decide that maybe they want to be closer to X or Y. They may not have considered that before.

As for now, we need to have travel restrictions. That was the point of the thread. As tough as it may be, we are stuck where we are and we have to focus on the macro level public health.

I don't know how you extrapolated to what you ended up at. I am going to take a break from this thread. I didn't want to cause the other fella to be banned. I hope the moderators let him back at some stage.

Corholio · 03-04-2021 11:03PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

You interpreted that arseways.

There may be people who were never faced with a family emergency thus far when abroad and who never considered the concept of not being able to make it back in time for something, or not being able to be there to help if someone needs help for a period of time.

Given that the pandemic has highlighted the fragility of everyday logistics that many have come to take for granted, some people might now decide that maybe they want to be closer to X or Y. They may not have considered that before.

I don't know how you extrapolated to what you ended up at. I am going to take a break from this thread. I didn't want to cause the other fella to be banned. I hope the moderators let him back at some stage.

So you were giving good samaritan advice then? Pull the other one. It was a nasty thing to say from the high horse, I didn't have to extrapolate anything, especially considering your attitude towards any posters discussing travel or even possibility of travel in here.

josip · 03-04-2021 11:44PM

Corholio wrote: »

So you were giving good samaritan advice then? Pull the other one. It was a nasty thing to say from the high horse, I didn't have to extrapolate anything, especially considering your attitude towards any posters discussing travel or even possibility of travel in here.

I'd have to agree with you.
That post you're referring to came across as disingenuous and antagonistic.

Ray Donovan · 04-04-2021 12:34AM

So anyways folks, travel??

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 01:48AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So anyways folks, travel??

The days of non essential travel are over unless the virus is eradicated but that is very doubtful that can ever happen. Governments will not let us travel because of the variants. I’m guessing by autumn most countries if not all will be on the quarantine list and will be for many many years :mad: That is the message the government is saying, it’s plain obvious.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 05:04AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The days of non essential travel are over unless the virus is eradicated but that is very doubtful that can ever happen. Governments will not let us travel because of the variants. I’m guessing by autumn most countries if not all will be on the quarantine list and will be for many many years :mad: That is the message the government is saying, it’s plain obvious.

Well they can take a long walk off a short pier.
There’s no way in hell I’m living out my days in this backward dump.
3 options
1 , stay miserable in Ireland for the next 3-5 years minimum
2, emigrate
3, nice drive up to Belfast airport ( to visit a “grave yard” )

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 05:05AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The days of non essential travel are over unless the virus is eradicated but that is very doubtful that can ever happen. Governments will not let us travel because of the variants. I’m guessing by autumn most countries if not all will be on the quarantine list and will be for many many years :mad: That is the message the government is saying, it’s plain obvious.

It is against fundamental principles of EU membership to put any European country on it.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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