Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Sorry to quote myself, but would someone be able to confirm.

UK-Dublin means PCR test (and fkn MHQ at this rate)
But
UK-Belfast no test, if arriving by either air or ferry ?

The law applies if you were in any of the countries within the last 14 days.


What you are asking is whether you would likely to be caught if you tried to circumvent the law.

Irish Aris wrote: »

BBC reporting that Italy will extend the quarantine rule in EU citizens. Wonder if it is just temporary for Easter or extend until the beginning of the tourist period.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56576657#:~:text=The%20Italian%20government%20is%20to,bloc%20had%20to%20self%2Disolate.

Did you even read that?
That's a 5 day quarantine in their home/residence/hotel.
We already have a mandatory 14 day Quarantine for all travellers and MHQ for those coming or transiting through a Category 2 country.

Tazz T wrote: »

Really? This paragraph sums up everything about every remark you make on this thread and every other regarding the current pandemic.

The descriptor as you put it 'resort' was the one used in the article. You choose to use 'compound' to insinuate a prison camp very very deliberately. You have and never will deliver any positive contribution to this thread whatsoever. You are not interested in debate. You were even derisory to Faceman in your response.

So go have the final word. I'm sure it'll be good. Like so many others you're on ignore for me.

Take a chill pool dude. Even Faceman said "compound" was an appropriate word.


It's not my fault you don't understand the meanings of relatively simple words.

You think I said "Guantanamo", that is your issue, not mine.


Would you like me to send you a link to an explanation of what the word means? I mean this is ridiculous that you are still going on about it.

faceman wrote: »

It’s just a recommendation by NPHET at this stage. It has to be agreed by government which includes the minister for foreign affairs.

They’re due to review it this week.

Route1 wrote: »

Any idea when that will be?

Any if they do decide to implement said recommendation, when would it likely to be effective from?

My understanding is countries can be added or removed by Stephen Donnelly on the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and the National Oversight Group for Variants of Concerns. Donnelly can remove a country if the threat of the variant has reduced to a level that it is not a threat to the Irish population.

Although there is a sunset clause in the legislation, there is no understanding from a public perspective as far as I know is understanding how they determine a country should be on the list or not on actual variants. I have a vested interest given my family is predominantly from one of the countrries on the list.

It's not Suriname but I must wonder what data suggests Suriname is unsafe from new variants rather than the assumption it is because it is on the continent of South America. It worries me that these assumptions will allow for the coninutation of countries on these list based on assumptions rather than actual data.

Donald Trump wrote: »

No. Not at the minute as far as I am aware. If you are coming in from London

How easy was that to respond to a simple question rather than showing the internet police badge in your previous response?

Any positive news for within-EU travel?

Ray Donovan wrote: »

None whatsoever. In his speech MM said we could look forward to visiting parts of our country for the Summer.

He forgot to mention price gouging, €9 meals, 105 minute time limits and crap weather surprisingly enough.

Did he actually say that? “Look forward” the only thing most of us are looking forward to is the day we can get the fuxk out of this place either permanently or at least for a holiday. I’m sick **** of this country and have no desire to visit anymore of it.

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's not mental at all. It makes sense. You are just not thinking about it from the correct angle.



Imagine for a second that we fast-forward to the end of the Summer and you are in the UK. The UK population is now vaccinated and life is back to some kind of normal. But because most countries are not vaccinated yet, the virus is still spreading around other countries, possibly mutating. Viruses will mutate. It's statistical. The more of it there is, the more likely you will have a mutation. And the more mutations there are, the more likely that some of those have an "advantage".



Now suppose one of those mutations makes your vaccines useless. You are going to want to keep it out. You definitely don't want to lockdown again. You vaccines have effectively made you into a pseudo-NZ!



So up to this, the virus is already in. People are under restrictions anyway. When we want to open things up, we definitely don't want new variants coming in. So I think those quarantine restrictions will remain, or even increase, until other countries are vaccinated. You may see travel corridors when two countries are "fully" vaccinated. Whatever "fully" means in this context (might be like 95% for example. Not literally 100%)

Possibly... Imagine .. What if..

What if a new virus appears, what then, what if its more deadly, more contagious, what if, just in case!

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Absolutely nothing stopping you from emigrating

There's been this thing called a pandemic going on you mustn't have noticed?

How much notice would people be given for the addition of more countries? If a decision is made later this week, would people be given at least a few days notice?

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Absolutely nothing stopping you from emigrating

There is actually. If their passport is expired, they can't get a new one because the Passport Office is closed.

This is going from bad to worse, especially for those abroad with elderly parents in need of support at home in Ireland.

I was planning a trip to provide some help but now that there is a threat of Germany being added to the list (potentially without warning), hard to know what to say or plan.

Del Griffith wrote: »

Possibly... Imagine .. What if..

What if a new virus appears, what then, what if its more deadly, more contagious, what if, just in case!

Dude, I would have thought that a year into this, and given that you are actively engaged on here, that you would have gotten your head around some of the basics.


The chances of the virus mutating is directly related to the amount of the virus in existence. As you are probably aware, there is quite a lot of it worldwide at the minute. The more virus in existence, the more mutations there will be. And the more mutations that there will be, the more chance there is that you will get a mutation that has an advantage.



For a "new" virus, well they often come from a mutation of a virus that is in another species. Hence all the talk about bats and pangolins. Those are ones that we have not encountered before and have no immunity to. They previously weren't able to infect us, but now they can. And that is the issue. We have no immunity to them



If a bat is carrying a virus and it mutates such that it would would allow the virus to jump to humans, even if the original virus would not have been able to do, well some human has to catch it from that bat. The likelihood of a human catching it from that bat is much less than the likelihood of a human catching a mutated version from another human


Let me put it to you this way - you probably know of a few people in your area who caught the virus. I'd be confident in positing that they all contracted it from other humans and that not a single one of them contracted it from a bat or a pangolin or any other mammal

acequion wrote: »

You,'re not back on this thread 5 minutes and already you're being provocative! Thats a rather nasty attitude to take with that poster. Its not so simple as to just uproot and go and I reckon you know that full well. But people are appalled and upset at the constant attack on freedoms which as EU members we had completely taken for granted and the desire to be somewhere less repressive is understandable.

As for emigration I reckon we're on for another wave when the dust settles on this so I wouldnt be wishing it on anyone so glibly.

Poster said they were looking forward to emigrating. If they want to go, the virus and restrictions are not stopping them. There is no point moaning about things if they aren't going to make the change they want to make.