Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

ninebeanrows · 30-03-2021 11:13AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Are PCR or any covid tests required to take the ferry between larne and cairnryan?
Is that considered inter UK travel and therefore exempt?

Same with flights between Belfast and London?

And is it correct that even with the common travel area agreement you would need a test each way if you flew from Dublin to london or got a ferry from east wall to holyhead (not to mention the 2k fine)

Trying to figure a way out of this kip for some normality in the summer because it's clear now the govt wont be letting go of level 5 this side of our next meaningful Christmas

You can fly from London to Belfast without a PCR and get the bus down to Dublin.

ninebeanrows · 30-03-2021 11:14AM

And you can fly Dublin to London without a PCR as we in common travel areas so treated just like an internal flight.

So if you want a weekend in London, you can do Dublin London and then London Belfast and just 2hrs for the bus down to Dublin (all without any requirement for a COVID test), saves a lot of hassle.

30-03-2021 11:15AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Are PCR or any covid tests required to take the ferry between larne and cairnryan?
Is that considered inter UK travel and therefore exempt?

Same with flights between Belfast and London?

And is it correct that even with the common travel area agreement you would need a test each way if you flew from Dublin to london or got a ferry from east wall to holyhead (not to mention the 2k fine)

Trying to figure a way out of this kip for some normality in the summer because it's clear now the govt wont be letting go of level 5 this side of our next meaningful Christmas

You don’t need a test or to self isolate travelling for Ireland to the UK. Self isolation or quarantine had never been required for travel in that direction

The restriction is the fine at our end. There are no travel restrictions on the UK end

Tazz T · 30-03-2021 11:24AM

43 new countries to be added to the quarantine list. The Travel 'Expert' Advisory Group have recommended France, Germany and Italy to join Austria on the list.

This is gonna be good. The EC is going to have kittens, not to mention the beginning of reciprocations.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/us-france-germany-and-italy-set-for-irelands-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-40255783.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR0jAI6X629XH10gC4tNTB8MKjeSXzNLA_aScAdccgfmwcUZzwOovkVtgMU

Doubt the US will be happy, but I don't suppose it will apply to US troops at Shannon, but could spell trouble for the current preclearance protocols.

RobitTV · 30-03-2021 11:25AM

https://twitter.com/MurrayDiarmuid/status/1376486472291864580

namloc1980 · 30-03-2021 11:26AM

Tazz T wrote: »

43 new countries to be added to the quarantine list. The Travel 'Expert' Advisory Group have recommended France, Germany and Italy to join Austria on the list.

This is gonna be good. The EC is going to have kittens.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/us-france-germany-and-italy-set-for-irelands-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-40255783.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR0jAI6X629XH10gC4tNTB8MKjeSXzNLA_aScAdccgfmwcUZzwOovkVtgMU

The noose is tightening. We're going to be trapped in this country for a long time.

RobitTV · 30-03-2021 11:28AM

Tazz T wrote: »

43 new countries to be added to the quarantine list. The Travel 'Expert' Advisory Group have recommended France, Germany and Italy to join Austria on the list.

This is gonna be good. The EC is going to have kittens.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/us-france-germany-and-italy-set-for-irelands-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-40255783.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR0jAI6X629XH10gC4tNTB8MKjeSXzNLA_aScAdccgfmwcUZzwOovkVtgMU

What a total farce. I hope the European Commission have something to say about this. Adding EU countries to the list is a huge step in the wrong direction. Ireland will be forced to give up eventually after Brussels gets involved.

M_Murphy57 · 30-03-2021 11:37AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

And you can fly Dublin to London without a PCR as we in common travel areas so treated just like an internal flight.

So if you want a weekend in London, you can do Dublin London and then London Belfast and just 2hrs for the bus down to Dublin (all without any requirement for a COVID test), saves a lot of hassle.

Thanks , so I can fly out of dublin with no test but if I fly into Dublin even just from London I need a test - hence its better to fly home London to Belfast?

Just want to be completely clear.

CruelSummer · 30-03-2021 11:37AM

Can someone explain how the US is being added to this list now, when they've so many people vaccinated. Absolutely terrible optics.
One of the fastest vaccine roll outs n the World = two week quarantine in Ireland at your own expense?
But the last 12 months with Covid running riot over there you could enter freely....

M_Murphy57 · 30-03-2021 11:38AM

RobitTV wrote: »

What a total farce. I hope the European Commission have something to say about this. Adding EU countries to the list is a huge step in the wrong direction. Ireland will be forced to give up eventually after Brussels gets involved.

The addition of France and Italy to the "dangerous" list for MHQ is very clearly a further attempt to prevent foreign travel or holidays. The Irish government have completely lost the run of themselves at this point.

I'm initially only thinking about a holiday but after today, emigration looks appealing.

30-03-2021 11:38AM

faceman wrote: »

Both Aus and NZ have a system of support rather than punishment across all aspects of covid and managed isolation. (They don’t call it quarantine hotels). They recognised early on the more support you give people, the more people will comply. Positive psychology as opposed to negative reinforcement.

There are regular reviews of managed isolation facilities and reviews of the quarantine system as well as numerous published articles and reviews of the mental health aspect. Their governments take responsibility of the process as opposed to the Irish government’s approach of whatever happens in the hotels here is the responsibility of TIFCO. (Per Simon Coveney a few days ago)

Medical staff check in with travellers daily in Aus and NZ. It’s less frequent in Ireland

They still have to sit in a hotel room for two weeks.without leaving it at all.
Same as here.

Tazz T · 30-03-2021 11:42AM

RobitTV wrote: »

This is incredible, the virus is now literally floating over Terminal 2 - we are truly finished

Is that a new variant. Look at the size of it.

RobitTV · 30-03-2021 11:54AM

The fact that they *might* even consider adding the UK to the 'danger list' in the future, is an awful sign of how demented the government have become.

Adding the UK to any quarantine list would be the final death sentence for the aviation industry and many parts of our economy which have to rely on travel. This is utter lunacy of the highest order.

This would go against the Common Travel Area that has existed between our two nations for 100 years. And people will just fly through Belfast, and then they will travel across the border down to the republic.

acequion · 30-03-2021 11:59AM

Guys, will ye all stop losing the run of yerselves and reacting to clickbait!

Nothing is "set to" happen, it's only a recommendation and a decision won't be taken until later in the week if you read the article.

Not saying it won't happen but there is a reasonable chance that sanity will prevail. The article, typical thrashy Indo stuff, has to concede that it is "politically sensitive." It would be downright political suicide.

Ray Donovan · 30-03-2021 12:01PM

I think we can safely say now, with the additional countries including EU countries to the MHQ list and NPHET’s recommendations last night to ease practically no restrictions, that the Non essential travel advisory and by extension the airport fine will remain in place for the Summer.

So where does that leave us with the EU Travel Cerificate I wonder?

M_Murphy57 · 30-03-2021 12:06PM

acequion wrote: »

Guys, will ye all stop losing the run of yerselves and reacting to clickbait!

Nothing is "set to" happen, it's only a recommendation and a decision won't be taken until later in the week if you read the article.

Not saying it won't happen but there is a reasonable chance that sanity will prevail. The article, typical thrashy Indo stuff, has to concede that it is "politically sensitive." It would be downright political suicide.

"Sanity will prevail". Lol.

The reaction on this thread is learned response to months of government who communicate via leaks and kite flying to soften us up for their next round of piss poor decisions.

If the indo are running this it's because the government asked them to frighten all the bold boys n girls some more and make sure any hope we have about summer is quashed , before MM smirks out that summer is cancelled .

namloc1980 · 30-03-2021 12:10PM

acequion wrote: »

Guys, will ye all stop losing the run of yerselves and reacting to clickbait!

Nothing is "set to" happen, it's only a recommendation and a decision won't be taken until later in the week if you read the article.

Not saying it won't happen but there is a reasonable chance that sanity will prevail. The article, typical thrashy Indo stuff, has to concede that it is "politically sensitive." It would be downright political suicide.

Actually chuckled at that part in bold

faceman · 30-03-2021 12:11PM

The UK isn't on the proposed additional list of countries and most certainly won't be added to it.

European countries will only go on the list if the UK do the same. The UK are eyeing up France at the moment.

As acequion said, I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions yet. Adding EU countries to the list isn't a decision that can be taken by NPHET and needs to weigh up factors beyond health.

acequion · 30-03-2021 12:14PM

What's the point in being so negative? Will it not be time to collectively freak out if they actually go ahead with this?

There is concern within Govt about it. It's by no means a foregone conclusion. So can ye not just wait before having a fit!

30-03-2021 12:20PM

acequion wrote: »

Guys, will ye all stop losing the run of yerselves and reacting to clickbait!

Nothing is "set to" happen, it's only a recommendation and a decision won't be taken until later in the week if you read the article.

Not saying it won't happen but there is a reasonable chance that sanity will prevail. The article, typical thrashy Indo stuff, has to concede that it is "politically sensitive." It would be downright political suicide.

This is an outcome of the quote ridiculous process here of NPHET advising the government in public. Having their own voice and their own press conferences. It should never have been allowed to happen.

Corholio · 30-03-2021 12:22PM

acequion wrote: »

What's the point in being so negative? Will it not be time to collectively freak out if they actually go ahead with this?

There is concern within Govt about it. It's by no means a foregone conclusion. So can ye not just wait before having a fit!

In fairness it's just reacting to reports and what a terrible decision it would be. The reaction is on par to how awful the judgement would be imo. If it doesn't happen, good of course but it's opinions on the report.

Donald Trump · 30-03-2021 12:32PM

faceman wrote: »

The UK isn't on the proposed additional list of countries and most certainly won't be added to it.

European countries will only go on the list if the UK do the same. The UK are eyeing up France at the moment.

As acequion said, I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions yet. Adding EU countries to the list isn't a decision that can be taken by NPHET and needs to weigh up factors beyond health.

Ahem, Austria, cough, cough

faceman · 30-03-2021 12:43PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ahem, Austria, cough, cough

That was merely an attempt to show what the government was ‘willing’ to do and to appease the public.

Austria shouldn’t be on the list now.

Also Mauritius shouldn’t be on it either. The U.K. removed them. Are we still supporting the U.K. in the territory dispute?

30-03-2021 12:49PM

RobitTV wrote: »

This is incredible, the virus is now literally floating over Terminal 2 - we are truly finished

Omg !!!

30-03-2021 12:53PM

acequion wrote: »

What's the point in being so negative? Will it not be time to collectively freak out if they actually go ahead with this?

There is concern within Govt about it. It's by no means a foregone conclusion. So can ye not just wait before having a fit!

You’re right but others are right too they are flying kites for sure but given what’s been dished out in last year here anything is possible. Were that to go ahead we’d be looking more like N. Korea! It’s desperate stuff.

LeeroyJ. · 30-03-2021 12:53PM

Adding any EU countries at a larger scale as described in the article would have major implications for multinational corporations and large amount of EU nationals living in the republic. If a EU country becomes a legitimate concern sure but we can't treat EU neighbours like third countries, the Freedom of movement is a founding principle and shouldn't be tampered with lightly. We already have PCR test, a travel ban and 14 days of quarantine. Knowing how slow our government is to act and react this would leave thousands of people unable to plan for major Family events, emergencies and occasions this year.

Route1 · 30-03-2021 12:54PM

When are these additional countries set to be forced into mandatory quarantine?

Irish Aris · 30-03-2021 01:00PM

BBC reporting that Italy will extend the quarantine rule in EU citizens. Wonder if it is just temporary for Easter or extend until the beginning of the tourist period.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56576657#:~:text=The%20Italian%20government%20is%20to,bloc%20had%20to%20self%2Disolate.

faceman · 30-03-2021 01:02PM

Route1 wrote: »

When are these additional countries set to be forced into mandatory quarantine?

It’s just a recommendation by NPHET at this stage. It has to be agreed by government which includes the minister for foreign affairs.

They’re due to review it this week.

M_Murphy57 · 30-03-2021 01:21PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Thanks , so I can fly out of dublin with no test but if I fly into Dublin even just from London I need a test - hence its better to fly home London to Belfast?

Just want to be completely clear.

Sorry to quote myself, but would someone be able to confirm.

UK-Dublin means PCR test (and fkn MHQ at this rate)
But
UK-Belfast no test, if arriving by either air or ferry ?

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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