Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 12:09PM

Tazz T wrote: »

In a second

That's fair enough. Different people have different interests or ideas of what they like. I would consider it a waste myself but others might enjoy it.

gozunda · 27-03-2021 12:14PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Since Early February It's already a legal requirement to quarantine on arrival into Ireland from all countries and for 14 days not 10.
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-arrivals-5345494-Feb2021/

In Other words Ireland's quarantine laws were already more harsh than Germany's even before hotel quarantine was brought in.

Whats that got to do with Quarantine accommodation?

You do know EU covid travel regulations are not some type of competition yes?

And as I detailed above in Germany there is a 10 day quarantine period for 'specific countries' Ie what are deemed 'risk' areas

There is also 14 days quarantine period for those travelling from "virus variant" areas

So yeah bugger all difference there with lenght of quarantine tbf

https://www.lufthansa.com/ee/en/entry-into-germany

normanoffside · 27-03-2021 12:25PM

gozunda wrote: »

Whats that got to do with Quarantine accommodation?

You do know EU covid travel regulations are not some type of competition yes?

And as I detailed above in Germany there is a 10 day quarantine period for 'specific countries' Ie what are deemed 'risk' areas

There is also 14 days quarantine period for those travelling from "virus variant" areas

So yeah bugger all difference tbf

There’s no talking to you. No matter how much proof is presented you will still insist that Ireland’s rules ar no less restrictive than other EU countries.

The fact is Ireland is an outlier.

gozunda · 27-03-2021 12:29PM

normanoffside wrote: »

There’s no talking to you. No matter how much proof is presented you will still insist that Ireland’s rules ar no less restrictive than other EU countries.

The fact is Ireland is an outlier.

So your 'proof' was wrong and you're still right yeah? :pac:

Btw I mentioned absolutely nothing about whose rules are more or less restrictive. I stated there was little difference in the lenght of the quarantine period.

Just that Germany is using dedignated quarantine accommodation.

And no Its not a freeking competition!

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 12:45PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's fair enough. Different people have different interests or ideas of what they like. I would consider it a waste myself but others might enjoy it.

You asked.

One man's 'quarantine' is another man's 5-star inclusive holiday in a posh resort.

faceman · 27-03-2021 12:57PM

gozunda wrote: »

I have.

For a start you could quote the sentence correctly.

So you arrive in Germany from deepest darkest Croatia or wherever. You've never been in Germany before. You are legally obliged to go immediately to quarantine.

Where you going to stay?

A. Your "Home"

B. A designated hotel which has been quarantine approved ?

You seem to think A is the answer. How that work?

I borrowed these - they look better here I reckon

:rolleyes:

You are so oblivious to what you’re saying it’s laughable.

Who. Is. Casually. Visiting. Germany. For. Holidays?

Secondly, those quarantined approved hotels you speak of. They are NOTHING like what has been set up here. No army escort or dystopian approach. No big brother watching you 24/7. There are rules and they are enforced.

Also you are released from quarantine after 5 days if you test negative. Unlike Ireland.

And finally, given you mentioned Croatia. The German approach to risk areas is different than Ireland. Germany does not categorise risk by countries in their entirety. There are 2 areas of Croatia that not on the risk list.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 01:04PM

Tazz T wrote: »

You asked.

One man's 'quarantine' is another man's 5-star inclusive holiday in a posh resort.

As I said, that's fair enough. There are probably people who go away to a resort and don't leave it except to get back to the airport. When I go somewhere, I like to see the sights - landscape/historic/cultural and try some nice restaurants etc. I like to get out and walk around and explore. Some people might want to spend their week sitting on a beach or inside a resort compound. They are allowed to prefer that. It just wouldn't appeal to me. I would see it as a cruise ship that never goes anywhere. If someone likes that, then they will be in luck because those kinds of places might open up before the general tourist industry.

Sure some of the passengers being redirected from Dublin airport to quarantine here might be happy out as well! It wouldn't be for me but sure as you say - "One man's 'quarantine' is another man's 5-star inclusive holiday in a posh resort".

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 01:08PM

faceman wrote: »

You are so oblivious to what you’re saying it’s laughable.

Who. Is. Casually. Visiting. Germany. For. Holidays?

Secondly, those quarantined approved hotels you speak of. They are NOTHING like what has been set up here. No army escort or dystopian approach. No big brother watching you 24/7. There are rules and they are enforced.

Also you are released from quarantine after 5 days if you test negative. Unlike Ireland.

And finally, given you mentioned Croatia. The German approach to risk areas is different than Ireland. Germany does not categorise risk by countries in their entirety. There are 2 areas of Croatia that not on the risk list.

Faceman, you are on here a lot. And you say you live in Spain.

Can you think of any important difference between day-to-day life in Spain (or the continent in general) and in Ireland? I'll give you a hint - you probably have it in your wallet when you walk around

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 01:08PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

As I said, that's fair enough. There are probably people who go away to a resort and don't leave it except to get back to the airport. When I go somewhere, I like to see the sights - landscape/historic/cultural and try some nice restaurants etc. I like to get out and walk around and explore. Some people might want to spend their week sitting on a beach or inside a resort compound. They are allowed to prefer that. It just wouldn't appeal to me. I would see it as a cruise ship that never goes anywhere. If someone likes that, then they will be in luck because those kinds of places might open up before the general tourist industry.

Sure some of the passengers being redirected from Dublin airport to quarantine here might be happy out as well! It wouldn't be for me but sure as you say - "One man's 'quarantine' is another man's 5-star inclusive holiday in a posh resort".

Again, you asked 'Would you be arsed to do that?' I answered. Like many others here, I don't care or want to know how you spend your holidays. My point was a holiday in an resort isn't quarantine but it's infinitely better than being stuck within a five k limit in a country where nothing's open.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 01:13PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Again, you asked 'Would you be arsed to do that?' I answered. Like many others here, I don't care or want to know how you spend your holidays. My point was a holiday in an resort isn't quarantine but it's infinitely better than being stuck within a five k limit in a country where nothing's open.

That's fine.

You'd choose to go to a compound in Greece, which you can't leave, even to go to the beach or local shops, in preference of being able to travel 5km in Ireland (obviously for exercise since that is the only thing there is a distance limit on). And then quarantine for 10 days on arrival home.

I couldn't be arsed. I was surprised that others might be. You said you'd do it "in a second". That is your choice and your right.

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 01:23PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's fine.

You'd choose to go to a compound in Greece, which you can't leave, even to go to the beach or local shops, in preference of being able to travel 5km in Ireland (obviously for exercise since that is the only thing there is a distance limit on). And then quarantine for 10 days on arrival home.

I couldn't be arsed. I was surprised that others might be. You said you'd do it "in a second". That is your choice and your right.

'compound'? You and Gozunda should go on holiday together. Ye'd get on like a hotel on fire.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 01:28PM

Tazz T wrote: »

'compound'? You and Gozunda should go on holiday together. Ye'd get on like a hotel on fire.

Did you not read the article? The holidaymakers have to stay inside the resort.

From the Article wrote:

In the experiment, which has been given the go-ahead by public health authorities in Holland, they will be allowed to use the hotel’s facilities, including three swimming pools and two restaurants, but won’t be able to head down to the beach or leave the resort.

RobitTV · 27-03-2021 01:30PM

I heard Ryanair are offering compound holidays this summer from Belfast. Children go free if you spend two weeks inside the compound in Spain. Where all the 'lager louts' and 'working class' peasants go on holiday each year.

Jet2 are offering three weeks in the 'Lanzaooo' compound in Puerto Del Carmen. All the Irish 'bear bellies' will be on show.

Thank god such a educated upper class male like myself will never enter these type of hostile environments. Literally makes me gag thinking about it.

I'd rather holiday in Syria or Afghanistan.

(This is sarcasm

)

gozunda · 27-03-2021 01:34PM

faceman wrote: »

You are so oblivious to what you’re saying it’s laughable.
Who. Is. Casually. Visiting. Germany. For. Holidays?

Secondly, those quarantined approved hotels you speak of. They are NOTHING like what has been set up here. No army escort or dystopian approach. No big brother watching you 24/7. There are rules and they are enforced.

Also you are released from quarantine after 5 days if you test negative. Unlike Ireland.

And finally, given you mentioned Croatia. The German approach to risk areas is different than Ireland. Germany does not categorise risk by countries in their entirety. There are 2 areas of Croatia that not on the risk list.

Probably. The same. Eejits. Who are travelling here. For holidays.

As per the original comment- there's people travelling for all types of reason including essential business, work, education etc.

You really think that German authorities are not taking a dystopian approach to enforcing its covid restrictions there or not making sure people observe quarantine? Or that have already banned people from travelling there including those travelling from Ireland? (And yes I know that's changed)

Enforced quarantine: This type of thing?

Police reinforcements have been sent to maintain a coronavirus quarantine on a tower block in the German city of Göttingen after violence on Saturday.

Seven-hundred people were placed in quarantine, but about 200 who attempted to get out clashed with police.

Residents - now fenced off - attacked police with fireworks, bottles and metal bars, officials said.

The quarantine was imposed on Thursday, after two residents tested positive, then more tests showed 102 infections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53131941

Big brother is watching you:

Before entering the country, you are required to register at www.einreiseanmeldung.de and carry the confirmation with you when travelling. This confirmation will be checked by your carrier and potentially also by the Federal Police in the context of the entry control.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Merkblatt_Reisende_EN.pdf%3F__blob%3DpublicationFile&ved=2ahUKEwiOvPmrztDvAhWjUhUIHQhcBqUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1tHlWNN60zFfZWCo5fZzTM

And the five day test exemption is only for designated 'risk' countries and not designated "virus variant" ones

We have a similar exemption in Ireland.

I knew I'd get hung for mentioning any country lol. Its an example only. But yes I did refer to "deepest darkest" Croatia- so obviously not the whole country! :rolleyes:

As for your claim".

"Germany does not categorise risk by countries in their entirety."

Incorrect:

Slovakia - the entire country of Slovakia is now considered a high incidence area (previously virus variant area).

Czech Republic - the entire country of the Czech Republic is now considered a high incidence area (previously virus variant area).

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

So yeah what you said: "As pointed out, you’re incorrect" and "You are so oblivious to what you’re saying it’s laughable"

IQO · 27-03-2021 01:51PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375803699566682115

"Although Perth has had just one case of Covid-19 in almost a year and the family had negative PCR tests, the fact that they had a 45 minute stop-over in Dubai meant they became one of the first group of travellers to enter mandatory hotel quarantine in Ireland."

As it was said before on here, they should have changed their second flight with Emirates from Dubai-Dublin to Dubai-any other EU country except Austria, and move onwards from there (or after 14 days). How ridiculous the hotel quarantine rule is it's also a showing of unpreparedness from this family.

Van.Bosch · 27-03-2021 01:54PM

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375803699566682115

"Although Perth has had just one case of Covid-19 in almost a year and the family had negative PCR tests, the fact that they had a 45 minute stop-over in Dubai meant they became one of the first group of travellers to enter mandatory hotel quarantine in Ireland."

I don’t know why this family didn’t come home a day earlier or come home without hitting UAE?

wcooba · 27-03-2021 01:54PM

gozunda wrote: »

You really think that German authorities are not taking a dystopian approach to enforcing its covid restrictions there or not making sure people observe quarantine? Or that have already banned people from travelling there including those travelling from Ireland? (And yes I know that's changed)

Well using military to escort civilians to "detention centres" is very 1940s don't you think? I don't believe there is another EU country which would do it for optics alone.

Btw. You are factually incorrect again - Germany has lifted travel ban from Ireland since March 20th. As per my previous post let's see how long it will take to remove Austria from cat2 list here.

RobitTV · 27-03-2021 01:55PM

That family is a huge risk to society. Thank god they are locked up after taking a covid test and with the test coming back negative. We can never be certain!

rodders999 · 27-03-2021 01:58PM

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375803699566682115

"Although Perth has had just one case of Covid-19 in almost a year and the family had negative PCR tests, the fact that they had a 45 minute stop-over in Dubai meant they became one of the first group of travellers to enter mandatory hotel quarantine in Ireland."

I’d imagine they are hoping for a similar public outcry that we saw with the teachers getting the vaccine this week but I’m afraid they’ve misjudged the room badly.

They’ve just come from Australia where they’ve lived a pretty normal life for the past 12 months and within 24 hours of arriving here they are having a moan about life being a bit crap, well welcome to our world FFS!

We’ve been confined to our houses/gardens for the best part of a year so I wouldn’t imagine that there will be too much sympathy because the room they are in is a bit cramped for watching Netflix.

gozunda · 27-03-2021 02:00PM

wcooba wrote: »

Well using military to escort civilians to "detention centres" is very 1940s don't you think? I don't believe there is another EU country which would do it for optics alone.

Btw. You are factually incorrect again - Germany has lifted travel ban from Ireland since March 20th. As per my previous post let's see how long it will take to remove Austria from cat2 list here.

Oh sweet Jesus. Exactly when did you miss when I wrote.

Or that have already banned people from travelling there including those travelling from Ireland? (And yes I know that's changed)

So not only are you "factually" wrong about what I wrote. You're plain wrong as well.

How's this for 1940s style detention for optics?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53131941

And yes I know its an old news story before you try that one. But it gives a flavour of how things are enforced there.

Police reinforcements have been sent to maintain a coronavirus quarantine on a tower block in the German city of Göttingen after violence on Saturday.

Seven-hundred people were placed in quarantine, but about 200 who attempted to get out clashed with police.

Residents - now fenced off - attacked police with fireworks, bottles and metal bars, officials said.

The quarantine was imposed on Thursday, after two residents tested positive, then more tests showed 102 infections.

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 02:38PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Did you not read the article? The holidaymakers have to stay inside the resort.

Did you not read your comment? You said 'compound' not 'resort'.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 02:50PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Did you not read your comment? You said 'compound' not 'resort'.

Collin's English dictionary to remind you of your school days.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/compound

A compound is an enclosed area of land that is used for a particular purpose

Cambridge dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/compound

an area surrounded by fences or walls that contains a group of buildings:

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 03:28PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Collin's English dictionary to remind you of your school days.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/compound

Cambridge dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/compound

seriously? You're trying to reimagine an all inclusive luxury 5 star holiday resort into a Guantanamo bay prison compound.

The only compounding you're doing is compounding everyone else's perception of you on this thread.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 07:23PM

Tazz T wrote: »

seriously? You're trying to reimagine an all inclusive luxury 5 star holiday resort into a Guantanamo bay prison compound.

The only compounding you're doing is compounding everyone else's perception of you on this thread.

That's some leap of imagination. A bit hysterical, no?

Maybe it would be a good idea in general to have a cup of tea and a few deep breaths before you press "submit reply".

No need to be getting your knickers in a twist because you didn't understand what a word means.

faceman · 27-03-2021 07:25PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Faceman, you are on here a lot. And you say you live in Spain.

Can you think of any important difference between day-to-day life in Spain (or the continent in general) and in Ireland? I'll give you a hint - you probably have it in your wallet when you walk around

If the answer you want isn’t “condoms” I’m going to be very disappointed

faceman · 27-03-2021 07:28PM

gozunda wrote: »

Probably. The same. Eejits. Who are travelling here. For holidays.

As per the original comment- there's people travelling for all types of reason including essential business, work, education etc.

You really think that German authorities are not taking a dystopian approach to enforcing its covid restrictions there or not making sure people observe quarantine? Or that have already banned people from travelling there including those travelling from Ireland? (And yes I know that's changed)

Enforced quarantine: This type of thing?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53131941

Big brother is watching you:

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Merkblatt_Reisende_EN.pdf%3F__blob%3DpublicationFile&ved=2ahUKEwiOvPmrztDvAhWjUhUIHQhcBqUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1tHlWNN60zFfZWCo5fZzTM

And the five day test exemption is only for designated 'risk' countries and not designated "virus variant" ones

We have a similar exemption in Ireland.

I knew I'd get hung for mentioning any country lol. Its an example only. But yes I did refer to "deepest darkest" Croatia- so obviously not the whole country! :rolleyes:

As for your claim".

"Germany does not categorise risk by countries in their entirety."

Incorrect:

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

So yeah what you said: "As pointed out, you’re incorrect" and "You are so oblivious to what you’re saying it’s laughable"

I don’t have the time nor energy to give you a reply worthy of your response and I accept you’re probably making some points that are valid but it’s Saturday night

One though to pick up was my comment about country categories. I was saying that they can segregate a country by region but I didn’t meant they can’t make a whole country as high risk.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2021 07:33PM

rodders999 wrote: »

They’ve just come from Australia where they’ve lived a pretty normal life for the past 12 months and within 24 hours of arriving here they are having a moan about life being a bit crap, well welcome to our world FFS!

Well, given that they sought the publicity, I think it is fair to make comment on them.

The new quarantine measures were flagged in advance. They could have come a bit eariler, or booked via a different route. No point landing and then moaning about it. Australia has had quarantine for a long time.

If I had messed up and landed on the first day of said new quarantine restrictions, I definitely wouldn't be publicising my stupidity in the paper! There is no other word for it. 24 hours and they could have quarantined in private accommodation somewhere.

On a serious note, those are the types of travellers that you need to have in quarantine. Moving back to Ireland after years abroad. It would be extremely unlikely that they'd have a place set up and ready to go and stocked for a 14 day quarantine anyway. They just wanted special treatment

Tazz T · 27-03-2021 09:48PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's some leap of imagination. A bit hysterical, no?

Maybe it would be a good idea in general to have a cup of tea and a few deep breaths before you press "submit reply".

No need to be getting your knickers in a twist because you didn't understand what a word means.

I understand what resort means.

Ray Donovan · 27-03-2021 09:59PM

So what is the current and possible short term future for us who would like to travel in the EU in the next few months.

So right now we have a not to partake in non essential travel advisory from NPHET/DFA. This has been in place for a year now but has been made even more stringent with a €500/€2,000 fine for attempting to leave the country for non essential travel. Ordinarily this would destroy holiday plans for Summer 2021 but....

The EU are keen to reopen intra EU travel from June and are pushing along the roll out of the Digital Green Travel Certificate which can be obtained by meeting one of the following 3 criteria

1) Proof of vaccination
2) Proof of a positive COVID diagnosis and a full recovery within the previous 180 days
3) A negative test result before travelling.

So the big question remains is what will Ireland’s response to this travel cert be?Personally I believe the non essential travel advisory will remain in place for Summer 2021 but the key for me is what happens to the fine? If the travel cert comes in and the fine goes then that travel advisory is not worth the paper it’s written on. People will travel. However if the fine stays in place then that would really deter people from travelling. But could Ireland justify having that fine yet having the travel cert in place to the EU Commission?

And finally, and I don’t know the answer to this, is the airport fine linked to Level 5? If we leave L5 does the fine go.

I actually predict that Summer 2021 will be quite similar to Summer 2020 from an Irish perspective with a non essential travel advisory in place, but a key difference is the travel cert will be in.

mmclo · 28-03-2021 12:07AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

But could Ireland justify having that fine yet having the travel cert in place to the EU Commission?

As I read the regulation yes, as long as all EU citizens are treated the same. Not so sure outbound apples to EU citizens. Inbound or returning is surely the bigger issue but the same principle applies. The Green Cert is not a panacea, it is lowest common denominator mainly to ensure that EU citizens are not treated less favourably than locals by member states. Legally Ireland could continue harsh restrictions, politically maybe less so

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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