Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

VG31 · 25-03-2021 09:02PM

acequion wrote: »

Ah for god's sake Mickey 32 I normally like your posts and share your views but that particular post was right up there at the top of the hysteria /hyperbole scale.

That's exactly what I was thinking. You don't want to end up sounding like a certain other poster very prone to posting ridiculous hyperbole.

ShineOn7 · 25-03-2021 09:05PM

Haven't dipped into this thread in awhile

Are they still fining people 500 euros at the Airport?

mmclo · 25-03-2021 09:20PM

Tazz T wrote: »

EU will give him a swift telling off if he starts adding more EU countries to that quarantine list. They probably put Austria on there just to see if they could get away with it. Once the current surge is over, can't see how we'll be allowed to quarantine EU travellers.

Austria can't be on it if and when the travel pass is adopted, although that's a while away. I don't buy some of the hyperbole about the pass and the EU rescuing the Irish travel situation but it's clear all EU citizens have to be treated the same under that regulation.

That won't stop Ireland having a restrictive regime, it just has to apply it equally to citizens of all member states

gozunda · 25-03-2021 11:44PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

I normally think O'Leary is a clown but this time he is spot on, people are going to be "escaping" Ireland via the North, if I have I will do exactly this.

A clown? doing some smart marketing of his new routes out of Belfast.

Thing is I reckon the UK are already on to this type of malarkey and have brought in extra restrictions on top of what they already had for those looking to grab a sun lounger this summer

And interestingly despite Health secretary Matt Hancock saying noting has changed with regard to the road map plans for international travel.

He told Sky News the global travel taskforce would report its findings by the middle of April, with May 17 the earliest possible date in the road map for international travel without a reasonable excuse.

Hancock added: “Now, having said all of that, it is now too early to know where the global travel taskforce will come out and know what the decision will be for May 17.

“The reason for that is that we are seeing this third wave rising in some parts of Europe and we’re also seeing new variants.

“It is very important that we protect the progress that we have been able to make here in the UK.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/how-to-avoid-5000_uk_6059a290c5b6f12839d72a14

Doesn't sound too good tbh.

Micky 32 · 26-03-2021 12:12AM

gozunda wrote: »

A clown? doing some smart marketing of his new routes out of Belfast.

He also has two new routes planned out of Knock for the autumn.

Tazz T · 26-03-2021 12:32AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

He also has two new routes planned out of Knock for the autumn.

Meanwhile Aer Lingus is asking its Irish employees to move to Manchester and also transferring flight routes from Shannon to Belfast.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

Nice one, Leo and co.

Micky 32 · 26-03-2021 12:35AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Meanwhile Aer Lingus is asking its Irish employees to move to Manchester and also transferring flight routes from Shannon to Belfast.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

Nice one, Leo and co.

I know , worrying. I use that route 2/3 times a year with Aer Lingus. Hopefully it’s temporary until demand returns

ypres5 · 26-03-2021 12:41AM

Just had a look and the flight for my planned trip from dublin to paris is €96 return for the first week of December. should I bite?

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 12:44AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Tazz T wrote: »

Or when they realise the hotels only have an occupancy rate of 0.2% because there are no non-essential travellers coming in from quarantinable countries.

Exactly this. These are going to be some white elephant for the next 3 months.

But that's the point of them. They'd be quite happy for them to be empty. They are quite open about the fact that it is a deterrent measure.

They don't want random people to be coming in from those places. So they need a way to filter out the people who actually need to come. Because they do have to facilitate those somehow

Micky 32 · 26-03-2021 12:45AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Just had a look and the flight for my planned trip from dublin to paris is €96 return for the first week of December. should I bite?

Seeing that the green travel pass is getting the go ahead and there will be a lot of vaccinations by then i’d chance it.

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 12:50AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Just had a look and the flight for my planned trip from dublin to paris is €96 return for the first week of December. should I bite?

Well I'd say that there is decent hope that December could be ok. I definitely wouldn't be building up my own hopes about anything this side of October.

The additional point about December is that, if things don't go to plan as regards vaccines, there might be extra restrictions due to Christmas. 96 Euro though ...... I don't mean to make assumptions of course but I'd imagine you could live with writing it off. Don't book baggage either.

Ultimately it's your own call.

gozunda · 26-03-2021 12:53AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Meanwhile Aer Lingus is asking its Irish employees to move to Manchester and also transferring flight routes from Shannon to Belfast.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

Nice one, Leo and co.

Don't know there's much difference with here with bugger all holiday flights out of lockdown UK atm And from what Matt Hancock said this week- it looking increasingly likely nothing much is going to change for at least several months.

More like airports getting desperate and offering ridiculous deals to airlines to get them on board for whenever flights resume. Not much Leo and Co can do with that tbf.

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 01:00AM

gozunda wrote: »

More like airports getting desperate and offering ridiculous deals to airlines to get them on board for whenever flights resume. Not much Leo and Co can do with that tbf.

Mick O'Leary would definitely be happy to have your money available in Ryanair's account even if he has to give it back to you eventually.

Del Griffith · 26-03-2021 04:35AM

gozunda wrote: »

A clown? doing some smart marketing of his new routes out of Belfast.

Thing is I reckon the UK are already on to this type of malarkey and have brought in extra restrictions on top of what they already had for those looking to grab quote="gozunda;116695420"]A clown? doing some smart marketing of his new routes out of Belfast.

Thing is I reckon the UK are already on to this type of malarkey and have brought in extra restrictions on top of what they already had for those looking to grab a sun lounger this summer

And interestingly despite Health secretary Matt Hancock saying noting has changed with regard to the road map plans for international travel.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/how-to-avoid-5000_uk_6059a290c5b6f12839d72a14

Doesn't sound too good tbh.

Lol again..

So, just so we're clear...

Ignoring the avalanche of good news from the UK, ignoring the fact that over 50% of the UK population has had at least 1 shot already (only March), ignoring the fact that hospitalisations and deaths are already dropping through the floor there, ignoring that they have already given indicative dates, ignoring that the EU travel pass has been passed, ignoring that the EU travel pass is being fast tracked, ignoring that Greece and Spain have already announced that they are working on opening a travel corridor with the UK to welcome British tourists back this summer, and despite the fact that even in your own linked article Hancock states the roadmap remains unchanged...

If we literally are to simply ignore ALL of that, and look at just that one little line that you've focused on, then yes perhaps it doesn't sound too good.

Fortunately most of us live in the real world and can see that European travel is hugely likely to happen now at some point this summer, outside of Ireland at least and hopefully inside Ireland too even if its via Belfast.

Honestly I'd worry now about the mental health of some posters here when the restrictions are eventually lifted. They'll be devastated.

Theboinkmaster · 26-03-2021 06:56AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Just had a look and the flight for my planned trip from dublin to paris is €96 return for the first week of December. should I bite?

Yes of course, December will be pretty much back to normal with 100% of Europe populated and they’ll probably be vaccinating kids by then.

Sure I’ve holiday to Portugal booked for second half of July and once I get our passport back I’m 100% going.

Tazz T · 26-03-2021 07:17AM

gozunda wrote: »

Don't know there's much difference with here with bugger all holiday flights out of lockdown UK atm And from what Matt Hancock said this week- it looking increasingly likely nothing much is going to change for at least several months.

More like airports getting desperate and offering ridiculous deals to airlines to get them on board for whenever flights resume. Not much Leo and Co can do with that tbf.

Plenty they can do about it - like adopting EU travel guidelines instead of making up their own like last summer.

JoeExotic81 · 26-03-2021 07:24AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0326/1206221-mandatory-hotel-quarantine/

"Figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre show that 1.72% of all cases detected in the two weeks up to last Saturday were connected to travel."

This would be hysterical if it wasn't so serious. Our freedom taken away, the sudden attempt to pretend we're not an island dependent on air travel, a whole industry jeopardized, all for 1.72% of cases.

Really?!?!?!?

The list can change at any time.

€2k fine, or one month in prison if you don't comply.

So let me get this straight, for an extra €125 people can opt out?

Oh wait, "or both", guess it's a lucky dip system. "What you doin time for boss? Well I was flying home as my child lives with my ex here, and they only added my country to the magic list the night I flew, and I refused to go to the detention center as I didn't want to miss my child's birthday."

This is all so farcical and tragic.

dmcsweeney · 26-03-2021 08:24AM

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0326/1206221-mandatory-hotel-quarantine/

"Figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre show that 1.72% of all cases detected in the two weeks up to last Saturday were connected to travel."

I'd love to know how many of those cases are related to holiday makers, seeing as how most travel now is essential? I wounder what percentage was people who ignored the rules within the country? Considering the behaviour of certain groups of society, especially around funerals, I'm surprised the level of cases from travel isn't higher. But it's not like they'll be blamed.

IQO · 26-03-2021 09:06AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Just had a look and the flight for my planned trip from dublin to paris is €96 return for the first week of December. should I bite?

Yes, there is very good value at the moment if you buy any cheap ticket, given the incredibly flexibility airlines are now offering.

For my recent flights I could change them until the day of departure (if I wanted). And by changing I mean not changing for next week, but also for February 2022.. if needed.

Golfman64 · 26-03-2021 09:33AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I'd love to know how many of those cases are related to holiday makers, seeing as how most travel now is essential? I wounder what percentage was people who ignored the rules within the country? Considering the behaviour of certain groups of society, especially around funerals, I'm surprised the level of cases from travel isn't higher. But it's not like they'll be blamed.

I’d also like to know what percentage of cases are related to schools, funerals, travellers etc. And what action is the government talking against these? For example, I presume they will arrest everyone at a gathering which is found to be in breach of current guidelines and place all people in quarantine hotels for 14 days???

Acosta · 26-03-2021 09:47AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I'm surprised the level of cases from travel isn't higher.

Possibly due to everyone arriving in being required to have a negative PCR test.

agoodpunt · 26-03-2021 09:51AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I'd love to know how many of those cases are related to holiday makers, seeing as how most travel now is essential? I wounder what percentage was people who ignored the rules within the country? Considering the behaviour of certain groups of society, especially around funerals, I'm surprised the level of cases from travel isn't higher. But it's not like they'll be blamed.

Let ignore the other 98% and the certain group that just dosent care

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 10:26AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Honestly I'd worry now about the mental health of some posters here when the restrictions are eventually lifted. They'll be devastated.

I don't know man. I don't get the victim mentality of some, or the hysteric idea that other posters would prefer lockdown even if there was no virus. It comes across a bit like a child convinced that their parents are trying to destroy the child's life by explaining to him that he needs to go to bed on a school night. Those posters are only trying to explain to you the dangers of the virus and why temporary measures are needed until the situation is under control.

I'd be more worried at the mental health of those freaking out because they have to postpone their escape from their real life temporarily. It's not really a good sign for anyone to be having a near breakdown because they have to stay in their day-to-day life for a little while longer

I mean there have been at least two posters on here who went away and made a big thing of reporting back their delight at being able to go for a haircut. I don't doubt that it meant a lot to them but to me it would be a warning sign that not everything is rosy if that gives them such relief.

It could well be that some of those ranting about mental health of others are merely reflecting what is going on in their own lives. More of a cry for help than anything. If that is the case, I am sure that there are people, both confidants and professionals, that they could/should talk to.

caveat emptor · 26-03-2021 10:30AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

The destination is irrelevant. The point is that Aer Lingus are moving 4 aircraft to Manchester from Dublin. This will equate to hundreds of lost jobs from the Irish economy in terms of crew, engineers and support services. And it’s only the start. Of course they are responding to a foreseen demand from the UK and Manchester in particular after the collapse of Thomas Cook but the fact they chose to move aircraft previously based in Ireland is a good indication of the negative affect the governments decisions are having on the economy and livelihoods.

I totally agree. It is a loss. I'm just not sure what we can do while vaccinations are so slow. It's reassuring to see countries adopting vaccine passports etc.

faceman · 26-03-2021 10:37AM

Breaking news this morning.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1375159770634539009?s=21

That will further allay fears over variants

However given NPHET don’t always follow the science it may mean nothing for Ireland

gozunda · 26-03-2021 11:29AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Plenty they can do about it - like adopting EU travel guidelines instead of making up their own like last summer.

Aha but to the present difficulties. Airlines can easily flit between the UK and Ireland which is compounded by our common travel area.

And if UK airports are giving better deals in an industry which is effectively looking to cut the bottom out of any remaining market - at best we could get into a bidding war with them.

Afaik EU guidelines - looks like we're in alignment atm

On 19 January 2021, the Commission adopted a Communication setting out actions needed to avoid a third wave. All non-essential travel should be strongly discouraged until the epidemiological situation has considerably improved. Restrictions on travel should be proportionate and non-discriminatory, in line with the Council Recommendation from October 2020. Proportionate restrictions, including testing of travellers, should be maintained.

On 25 January 2021, the Commission proposed to add ‘dark red’ to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control’s mapping of high-risk areas.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/travel-during-coronavirus-pandemic_en

ninebeanrows · 26-03-2021 11:36AM

Here we go the shambles of hotel quarantine being shown.

Family from Perth connecting through Dubai to Dublin all with negative COVID tests now being put into a hotel room , 5 of them.

What a joke shop.

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 11:42AM

faceman wrote: »

Breaking news this morning.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1375159770634539009?s=21

That will further allay fears over variants

However given NPHET don’t always follow the science it may mean nothing for Ireland

The nature of variants is that they occur spontaneously and unpredictably through mutations. You cannot predict what characteristics a future variant will have. While it is of course good news that we have potentially good treatments against currently known variants, you cannot predict effectiveness against future ones.

The more infections of the existing strains that are out there, the more mutations that will happen. If a mutation has some advantage, then it persists and may become dominant - particularly if it has resistance to exiting treatments.. You want to minimize the chances of that happening.

You have to get the numbers of existing down as soon as you can. You cannot adopt a a laissez-faire attitude until the existing strains are under control. We are not at that point yet.

Donald Trump · 26-03-2021 11:44AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Here we go the shambles of hotel quarantine being shown.

Family from Perth connecting through Dubai to Dublin all with negative COVID tests now being put into a hotel room , 5 of them.

What a joke shop.

Why is that a shambles? That's how it's supposed to work.

I'd imagine that if they wanted to, they could book additional rooms.

What did you think the quarantine was supposed to be? Is it the actual concept itself of a quarantine that had you confused?

dmcsweeney · 26-03-2021 11:48AM

gozunda wrote: »

Afaik EU guidelines - looks like we're in alignment atm

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/travel-during-coronavirus-pandemic_en

Restrictions on travel should be proportionate and non-discriminatory - this is certainly not the case in Ireland, where travel restrictions are clearly in favour of those entering the country, or indeed non nationals leaving the country. Whereas Irish people are prohibited from leaving. So we are clearly not in alignment from that point of view. And that's before we talk about preventing citizens from getting passports.

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