Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

New Home · 25-03-2021 07:49AM

My question was whether the RT test was the same as the NAAT (both are PCR, but the website specified NAAT and I don't want to be turned away when I land in AMS); they don't do the antigen here, and I don't know if I'll have the time to do it at the airport (I'm nearly 4 hrs away).

Someone else has since explained that NAAT is a type of RT.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2021 09:17AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

It’s a negative although unsurprising sign for Ireland for the most part - Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

The mob who vilified International travel will be the first lot whinging when we are cutting public sector salaries and reducing investment in public services as a result of reduced government income.

Have we ever even had a direct flight to Barbados?

Likely you due to demand after vaccination and holiday destinations only allowing in those vaccinated. UK will probably be a far larger market for this travel this summer unfortunately.

Good book when there was a direct route.

Santan · 25-03-2021 09:55AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Blame the zero Covid people and RTÉ. Economic treason.

I would also blame the government for pandering so easily to these people, but I guess that it's just much easier to blame something that they know is not really the problem than tackle or admit to the real issues

The Davestator · 25-03-2021 09:58AM

Moved my June flights to October. Hopefully, the mob will have run out of steam by then and hotel prisons will be a memory!

dmcsweeney · 25-03-2021 10:06AM

The Davestator wrote: »

Moved my June flights to October. Hopefully, the mob will have run out of steam by then and hotel prisons will be a memory!

You'll miss the start of outdoor dining and 10km limits if you go in October :pac:

mandrake04 · 25-03-2021 10:44AM

New Home wrote: »

My question was whether the RT test was the same as the NAAT (both are PCR, but the website specified NAAT and I don't want to be turned away when I land in AMS); they don't do the antigen here, and I don't know if I'll have the time to do it at the airport (I'm nearly 4 hrs away).

Someone else has since explained that NAAT is a type of RT.

Same same

NAAT is Nucleic Acid Test, PCR is type of NAT but there are other process like SDA that are also NATs but are different from PCR

RT-PCR specifically is Reverse Transcription specifically its a type of PCR process that produces cDNA from an RNA template. The complementary DNA can be amplified.

Tazz T · 25-03-2021 11:21AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Aer Lingus is a British airline.

But our national airline

/edit/ actually Ryanair probably is now.

Golfman64 · 25-03-2021 11:42AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Have we ever even had a direct flight to Barbados?

Likely you due to demand after vaccination and holiday destinations only allowing in those vaccinated. UK will probably be a far larger market for this travel this summer unfortunately.

Good book when there was a direct route.

The destination is irrelevant. The point is that Aer Lingus are moving 4 aircraft to Manchester from Dublin. This will equate to hundreds of lost jobs from the Irish economy in terms of crew, engineers and support services. And it’s only the start. Of course they are responding to a foreseen demand from the UK and Manchester in particular after the collapse of Thomas Cook but the fact they chose to move aircraft previously based in Ireland is a good indication of the negative affect the governments decisions are having on the economy and livelihoods.

Donald Trump · 25-03-2021 11:47AM

The Davestator wrote: »

Moved my June flights to October. Hopefully, the mob will have run out of steam by then and hotel prisons will be a memory!

But sure all you are doing is finally coming to your senses. People were advising months ago on here not to be booking flights for June. They were apparently a "mob".

Whereas in your own case, you are apparently reasonable in now deciding not to continue with plans to go in June....because it took you a few months extra to realise the bleedin' obvious!

RobitTV · 25-03-2021 01:51PM

Newstalk: Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary says he believes people from the Republic of Ireland will use Belfast 'as a means of escaping' this June

Michael O'Leary has said he expects countries across Europe to stop 'locking people down' from June.

"There's a 24-hour news cycle at the moment feeding all this hysteria - we're still only in the middle of March, and I think the situation will have changed markedly by the time we get to June/July/August".

On the new routes from Belfast, he said: "We think a lot of people from the Republic of Ireland are going to use these flights as a means of escaping to Portugal, Greece and Italy in the earlier part of the summer - even while Ireland's vaccine programme lags considerably behind the success of the UK programme".

Newstalk

Red Silurian · 25-03-2021 02:59PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Newstalk: Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary says he believes people from the Republic of Ireland will use Belfast 'as a means of escaping' this June

Michael O'Leary has said he expects countries across Europe to stop 'locking people down' from June.

"There's a 24-hour news cycle at the moment feeding all this hysteria - we're still only in the middle of March, and I think the situation will have changed markedly by the time we get to June/July/August".

On the new routes from Belfast, he said: "We think a lot of people from the Republic of Ireland are going to use these flights as a means of escaping to Portugal, Greece and Italy in the earlier part of the summer - even while Ireland's vaccine programme lags considerably behind the success of the UK programme".

Newstalk

He might be right but last I checked Michael O Leary is neither a doctor or a scientist so I wouldn't take his word as gospel

Ray Donovan · 25-03-2021 03:04PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

He might be right but last I checked Michael O Leary is neither a doctor or a scientist so I wouldn't take his word as gospel

Well a GP is an epidemiologist, virologist, general deity and the head of NPHET so O'Leary probably might aswell probably give it the medical profession a shot considering how blurred the lines have become over the last 12 months.

yoshimitsu · 25-03-2021 03:11PM

New Home wrote: »

My question was whether the RT test was the same as the NAAT (both are PCR, but the website specified NAAT and I don't want to be turned away when I land in AMS); they don't do the antigen here, and I don't know if I'll have the time to do it at the airport (I'm nearly 4 hrs away).

Someone else has since explained that NAAT is a type of RT.

I dont know in scientific terms whether an RT and NAAT PCR are the same but for the purpose of what you need them for, i.e. entering the Netherlands, I can tell you that the PCR and the rapid antigen tests done at Dublin airport by Randox are the ones you need. They are accepted by KLM to board the plane here and will be accepted at Schiphol airport in Amsterdam

faceman · 25-03-2021 03:15PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

He might be right but last I checked Michael O Leary is neither a doctor or a scientist so I wouldn't take his word as gospel

Neither is Michael Martin or Eamon Ryan and they form 2/3 of the sub committee that make the decisions on restrictions.

While Varadkar is a GP, Martin is former teacher and Ryan used to sell cycling holidays.

A safe pair of hands between the 3 of them :pac:

ninebeanrows · 25-03-2021 03:41PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s only a matter of time before travel in and out of this country will only be for essential travel or mandatory quarantine for all countries will be permanent regardless of vaccines. I think i have decided by the end of the year if nothing changes i’ll be relocating to the USA( thankfully i’m in a position to do so), i have no other choice or i’ll never see family in the USA again.

Varadkar blaming variants that cases will never be below 500 a day. Also he says“ a lot more countries will be added to the quarantine list”.

Travel is over people and probably for our lifetime. Grim……

Yea it doesn't look great but Varadkar is just playing to the crowd I think here on this one.

Next week he will be supporting the EU travel pass thing which enables unrestricted travel if Vaxxed or negative tested ...that should be in place from June once this wave on the continent gets suppressed which is likely to happen sometime late April.....once this wave is getting suppressed thoughts will turn to reopening for the summer season.

FlubberJones · 25-03-2021 03:50PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Newstalk: Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary says he believes people from the Republic of Ireland will use Belfast 'as a means of escaping' this June

Michael O'Leary has said he expects countries across Europe to stop 'locking people down' from June.

"There's a 24-hour news cycle at the moment feeding all this hysteria - we're still only in the middle of March, and I think the situation will have changed markedly by the time we get to June/July/August".

On the new routes from Belfast, he said: "We think a lot of people from the Republic of Ireland are going to use these flights as a means of escaping to Portugal, Greece and Italy in the earlier part of the summer - even while Ireland's vaccine programme lags considerably behind the success of the UK programme".

Newstalk

I normally think O'Leary is a clown but this time he is spot on, people are going to be "escaping" Ireland via the North, if I have I will do exactly this.

KanyeSouthEast · 25-03-2021 03:53PM

How can anyone say travel is over for our lifetime. Ridiculous hyperbole and not worthy of this forum.

faceman · 25-03-2021 03:56PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Has he indicated he’ll support the travel pass? At the moment i just can’t see that light at the end of the tunnel.

https://twitter.com/naomiohreally/status/1375099243514445836?s=21

Tazz T · 25-03-2021 03:57PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Varadkar blaming variants that cases will never be below 500 a day. Also he says“ a lot more countries will be added to the quarantine list”.

Travel is over people and probably for our lifetime. Grim……

EU will give him a swift telling off if he starts adding more EU countries to that quarantine list. They probably put Austria on there just to see if they could get away with it. Once the current surge is over, can't see how we'll be allowed to quarantine EU travellers.

Tazz T · 25-03-2021 04:06PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The quarantine list will be scrapped the second Micheál or Leo find out that it's no longer popular. So about 5 minutes after we get the majority of the populaton vaccinated.

Or when they realise the hotels only have an occupancy rate of 0.2% because there are no non-essential travellers coming in from quarantinable countries.

JojoLoca · 25-03-2021 04:08PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Has he indicated he’ll support the travel pass? At the moment i just can’t see that light at the end of the tunnel.

Not sure about Varadkar, but I've seen on IT and Journal that Martin is in support of them

Ray Donovan · 25-03-2021 05:20PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Or when they realise the hotels only have an occupancy rate of 0.2% because there are no non-essential travellers coming in from quarantinable countries.

Exactly this. These are going to be some white elephant for the next 3 months.

25-03-2021 05:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s only a matter of time before travel in and out of this country will only be for essential travel or mandatory quarantine for all countries will be permanent regardless of vaccines. I think i have decided by the end of the year if nothing changes i’ll be relocating to the USA( thankfully i’m in a position to do so), i have no other choice or i’ll never see family in the USA again.

Varadkar blaming variants that cases will never be below 500 a day. Also he says“ a lot more countries will be added to the quarantine list”.

Travel is over people and probably for our lifetime. Grim……

My brother lives in New York. He says things are so loose and relaxed there with restrictions. His friend flew over from Ireland last November because she was so fed up (then!!) of restrictions in Ireland. She expected all sorts of Covid checkpoints upon arrival in the US but there wasn't anything at all.

They ran out of Covid passenger tracker forms on the plane and those that managed to get one to fill out ended up throwing them in the bin in JFK airport as there was nobody and no place to drop them off in arrivals!!
:rolleyes:

Ray Donovan · 25-03-2021 05:41PM

All good news here on the Green Travel Certificate for the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-vote-to-fast-track-digital-green-certificates/

josip · 25-03-2021 05:49PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

All good news here on the Green Travel Certificate for the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-vote-to-fast-track-digital-green-certificates/

468 to 203, that's a very decisive margin.

acequion · 25-03-2021 07:04PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Relax, ok lifetime was an over exaggeration. But can you see travelling anytime soon? They are planning to add a “lot” more countries on the quarantine list as it is. Not to mention Varadkar letting us know we may never get below 500 cases a day. It’s hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

What do you think will happen?

Ah for god's sake Mickey 32 I normally like your posts and share your views but that particular post was right up there at the top of the hysteria /hyperbole scale.

Times are indeed grim and for those of us for whom travel is a way of life, indeed one of the only reasons we stay on this island, it's very worrying and very frightening. So let's not go frightening ourselves even more!

Firstly Varadkar is a spoofer, we all know that and plays to the crowd, we all know that too. So I wouldn't even listen to him. Secondly, our Govt are useless, no doubt but are they really that insane and really ready to commit such political suicide as to let our travel infrastructure collapse completely and ready to risk the ire of the EU who we'll no doubt need when the economic fall out unfolds? I really don't think they'll let it go so far.

And travel will never be over while there are loads of us still willing to pack the case and yank out the passport :pac:

Del Griffith · 25-03-2021 07:07PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

All good news here on the Green Travel Certificate for the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-vote-to-fast-track-digital-green-certificates/

If FG and FF have supported, looks like we're on?

Micky 32 · 25-03-2021 07:22PM

acequion wrote: »

Ah for god's sake Mickey 32 I normally like your posts and share your views but that particular post was right up there at the top of the hysteria /hyperbole scale.

Times are indeed grim and for those of us for whom travel is a way of life, indeed one of the only reasons we stay on this island, it's very worrying and very frightening. So let's not go frightening ourselves even more!

Firstly Varadkar is a spoofer, we all know that and plays to the crowd, we all know that too. So I wouldn't even listen to him. Secondly, our Govt are useless, no doubt but are they really that insane and really ready to commit such political suicide as to let our travel infrastructure collapse completely and ready to risk the ire of the EU who we'll no doubt need when the economic fall out unfolds? I really don't think they'll let it go so far.

And travel will never be over while there are loads of us still willing to pack the case and yank out the passport :pac:

No, you are right. I’m not sure why i even wrote that crap, bad day today.

fm · 25-03-2021 07:29PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

If FG and FF have supported, looks like we're on?

Hopefully but quarantine will most likely be advised by Nphet so depends will the government add that measure on

ninebeanrows · 25-03-2021 07:48PM

fm wrote: »

Hopefully but quarantine will most likely be advised by Nphet so depends will the government add that measure on

Europe is going to be in a different place in 2-3 months. This wave is going to come to an end just in time for the summer season.

By early May cases on the continent will be bottoming out

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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