Cycle infrastructure planned for north Dublin

Who's North Dublin's Labre34?. That's what I want to know.

MojoMaker wrote: »

Labre34 oddly enough :pac:

I'll get the popcorn.

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'll be watching. I'm always watching......

In fairness, I don't particularly give a stuff about any individual project. What I do care about is all projects passing the proper planning standard.

Whatever way the High Court decides that the Strand Road / Beach Road scheme should be consulted and approved is how all other schemes thereafter will have to be dealt with.

So from that point of view, if they pass a Part 8 or other process, I'll be the first to say fire ahead.

And Im sure this applies to all roads, housing etc. and not just cycle lanes

Some of the proposed routes sound great, Coolock to Clontarf and Finglas to Killester would be of much use to me.
Any update on when the fabled Fairview bike lane will start? I saw business owners and residents moaning about it on Facebook saying it'll destroy business etc.

I can't see any way of doing Vernon Avenue and Brookwood Avenue, Vernon Ave especially is covered in on street parking, especially around the entrance to St Anne's.
With the climate bill yesterday you'd think these things would be a no brainer, but I just refuse to believe they'll be able to roll these things out properly because of uproar from motorists and their counselors.
Would be great for the schoolkids around there though.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't see any way of doing Vernon Avenue and Brookwood Avenue, Vernon Ave especially is covered in on street parking, especially around the entrance to St Anne's.
With the climate bill yesterday you'd think these things would be a no brainer, but I just refuse to believe they'll be able to roll these things out properly because of uproar from motorists and their counselors.
Would be great for the schoolkids around there though.

Brookwood Avenue is plenty wide for a segregated cycle lane Monk. And if they used the grassed areas on Vernon Avenue, which are already cycled and parked on on a daily basis, there is more than enough room for a cycle lane here again.

It would get trickier from the junction of Kincora Road as it narrows quite a lot from there to the seafront. Personally I'd make that a 1 way traffic flow, towards the seafront.

I emailed Catherine Stocker asking if there's any more details but she said that map is all they have, and hoping to get further info in Autumn.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I have a friend who lives in Brookwood Avenue who usually owns about 3 or 4 cars and has them splattered all over the road, he wont be much amused if this goes ahead! With all the trees on that avenue too I'm not sure how they'd do it, but then I'm not a city planner so I hope they get something done.

Yes the bottleneck at Clontarf where the shops are is an absolute disaster as is, should be one way cycle lane or not, and bollards are needed as there are nearly always Range Rovers illegally parked all over the footpaths outside O'Brien's etc.

He can replace 2 or 3 of those cars with bikes when there's better cycling infrastructure right outside his front door

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I know, I'll be the first to tell him this. He did used to cycle to work actually until he got older and lazier.

Age is no excuse

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buffalo wrote: »

I'd say Christy Burke or maybe Nial Ring, but it's probably Mannix Flynn.

I was catching up on my DI news, and indeed it's Mannix Flynn. This is in relation to Queen Street and Bridgefoot Street:

Independent Councillor Mannix Flynn said he was concerned that cycle plans were being rolled in in a “salami slice” manner, with “no overall coherence”, and that residents of local areas were being surprised by new infrastructure without warning.

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2021/03/17/council-briefs-on-a-promenade-in-sandymount-and-a-congested-road-in-donnybrook

What struck me is that he's objecting to piecemeal cycle lanes here, but in relation to Strand Road, he objected to the fact that it's part of a network:

Mr Flynn’s submission states “it is our opinion that the proposed development... actually forms part of a wider network

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/order-halting-works-on-sandymount-cycleway-issued-by-high-court-1.4495901

Just in case anybody thought Mannix might not just object to anything cycling-related with a kneejerk reaction based on whatever comes into his head.

Yes resident groups seem to be building up opposition against the Fairview bike lanes. I can't see it happening tbh, it'll be scrapped and they'll need to come up with a new plan, a new lane through the park or something.

I always think that the level of ‘heat’ around cycling tracks in Fairview is very strange.

All of the land the east of Fairview Strand has been reclaimed from the sea. It is a long time since it was a strand. Not only that, it is six lanes of road space for traffic. There is also a major piece of infrastructure to the east of the park - ie the railway line. There is more infrastructure further east on Alfie Byrne Road. And to cap it all, underneath the park is one of Ireland’s largest infrastructures in the Port Tunnel.

And yet, here we are in 2021 arguing and debating endlessly about how to build a safe cycling route through Fairview. With the engineering solutions that have already been brought to bear in this space over centuries, surely it is not beyond creative minds to develop creative solutions.

And one point on the shared cycle track in the park - what is the point when the gates are closed at commuting times and it is unlit at night?