Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

jeffk · 20-03-2021 09:38PM

Intersting today at just down from the The Wellington Monument there is a few "spaces" so I stuck the car and so did a fare few others.

Got a call from herself (lucky to be sat in the car) saying the ranger wont put a sticker on if I was jogging (all she could say as thought being clamped or fined) , but would have if i was at the protest, so I had to rush back to the car and move it.

He said he was going alll the way down the road, I assume to the magazine area if not in spaces

https://ibb.co/x1bNgqY (gave up on trying to post pics properly)

JUccTRB

Stark · 20-03-2021 09:57PM

jeffk wrote: »

jeffk · 20-03-2021 09:59PM

Thanks, im not sure if doing it wrong, my adlocker or what, did try an work it out in another thread and was linking album, but only get one link to share

beauf · 20-03-2021 10:03PM

What protest?

Stark · 20-03-2021 10:06PM

A few ratlicker groups were meeting up at the Wellington monument at 2pm. They left to march to the Custom House around 3:30.

daymobrew · 21-03-2021 10:34AM

Stark wrote: »

A few ratlicker groups were meeting up at the Wellington monument at 2pm. They left to march to the Custom House around 3:30.

The article with a photo showing the protesters at Wellington Monument is gone but those arrested were in court yesterday, including a local woman.

ongarboy · 21-03-2021 09:32PM

The new car reduction plans for the Park made the Six One news on RTE this evening with some views for and against both aired. Some Chapelizod residents were concerned their village would become a car park for the Park visitors

Details on the RTE app too.
RTE news : 2,200 submissions for OPW Phoenix Park mobility plan

http://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0321/1205306-phoenix-park-mobility-plan/

Phil.x · 21-03-2021 10:06PM

ongarboy wrote: »

The new car reduction plans for the Park made the Six One news on RTE this evening with some views for and against both aired. Some Chapelizod residents were concerned their village would become a car park for the Park visitors

Details on the RTE app too.
RTE news : 2,200 submissions for OPW Phoenix Park mobility plan

http://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0321/1205306-phoenix-park-mobility-plan/

It's a shame if 2,200 have the final or major say on this, as most would be Twitter cyclists, and probably not from Ireland.

HeidiHeidi · 21-03-2021 10:50PM

Phil.x wrote: »

It's a shame if 2,200 have the final or major say on this, as most would be Twitter cyclists, and probably not from Ireland.

What a bizarre claim to make!

What do you base that on?

Phil.x · 21-03-2021 10:54PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What a bizarre claim to make!

What do you base that on?

I base it on Twitter and the coherent abuse I received when saying anything but pro cycling.
Twitter is nothing but gang of left wing cycling Nazi's.

raheny red · 22-03-2021 12:15AM

Phil.x wrote: »

It's a shame if 2,200 have the final or major say on this, as most would be Twitter cyclists, and probably not from Ireland.

Those cycling fordners stealing our road space!!!!!

Hurrache · 22-03-2021 09:11AM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What a bizarre claim to make!

What do you base that on?

His strange obsession with cyclists, particularly those in tight black leather apparently.

liamog · 22-03-2021 10:28AM

Phil.x wrote: »

It's a shame if 2,200 have the final or major say on this, as most would be Twitter cyclists, and probably not from Ireland.

It was an open consultation, if people didn't submit feedback, they can't be blamed that their views weren't heard.

Larbre34 · 22-03-2021 12:04PM

Yeah I did see the insufferable Kevin Baker on there.

Will be interesting to see what the submissions break down as. The people they vox popped on site certainly recognised the need for car access and parking so families can enjoy it.

I think though, we'll probably finish up long way from the OPWs preferred option before this is put to bed.

22-03-2021 02:39PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yeah I did see the insufferable Kevin Baker on there.

Will be interesting to see what the submissions break down as. The people they vox popped on site certainly recognised the need for car access and parking so families can enjoy it.

I think though, we'll probably finish up long way from the OPWs preferred option before this is put to bed.

Is the OPW stopping access and parking? As far as I can tell, the main aim is to stop through traffic, like on the s-bends a few years ago. Which I fully support and which is achieved by simply a few strategically placed bollards. You can still access the car parks.

Larbre34 · 22-03-2021 04:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is the OPW stopping access and parking? As far as I can tell, the main aim is to stop through traffic, like on the s-bends a few years ago. Which I fully support and which is achieved by simply a few strategically placed bollards. You can still access the car parks.

Reducing the natural flow and permeation of traffic will cause unnecessary congestion and safety issues outside of the Park. This is why further cul-de-sacs within are unacceptable.

Say for instance, one isolated section with a smaller amount of Parking fills up, people would have to leave the Park and mix it with other traffic outside to re-enter elsewhere. A needless and pointless diversion and an avoidable imposition on Chapelizod, Cabra, the NCR and Castleknock.

A balance of amenity and safety can be achieved by the one way orbital route for vehicular traffic and alternating the gates to one in, one out. This leaves the other traffic lane free for conversion to a two-way cycleway throughout the Park. This is option 7b of the Study.

ligerdub · 22-03-2021 04:19PM

It's a completely unnecessary plan and doesn't suit the vast majority. There was already plenty of access for cyclists. Many people just want to go up for a walk or a run and most would need a car to get there. What they've done there is to effectively make this not an option for many people on a nice day, as the car parks under the proposal are not going to allow for many people.

When the sun comes out there's barely a space to be had using the old free for all and people parking on Chesterfield Avenue, and it was great to see so many people enjoying one of the few free and accessible places in Dublin.

They are catering to the extremely vocal cycling zealots and the Castleknock residents who can stroll over easily. Maybe the green agenda types could focus more of their energy into improving public transport in Dublin instead of insisting on people cycling everywhere.

22-03-2021 05:02PM

I don’t believe it is an unnecessary plan at all. Some of the detail can be worked out to minimise some of the issues that arise from it, whether that’s one way systems with a separate cycle lane instead of blocked roads. That can be for the consultation process to inform

But something needs to be done about the upper glen road. It is a sh1tshow on a busy day. Cars flying two ways, around blind corners, with some of the worst grass-verge-parking in the whole of the park. Add in this being a popular part of the park for families and cyclists (including kids with their parents) and you have a sh1tshow. IMO that road needs to be blocked like military road and open it up to recreational users like the area around magazine fort is. With acres road open you don’t need upper glen road as either a rat-run nor a circular route.

beauf · 22-03-2021 05:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is the OPW stopping access and parking? As far as I can tell, the main aim is to stop through traffic, like on the s-bends a few years ago. Which I fully support and which is achieved by simply a few strategically placed bollards. You can still access the car parks.

They removed 650 spaces by removing parking from Chesterfield Ave.
I'm not getting into the pros and cons of it.
So regardless if they intended it or not, thats the end result.

beauf · 22-03-2021 05:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t believe it is an unnecessary plan at all. Some of the detail can be worked out to minimise some of the issues that arise from it, whether that’s one way systems with a separate cycle lane instead of blocked roads. That can be for the consultation process to inform

But something needs to be done about the upper glen road. It is a sh1tshow on a busy day. Cars flying two ways, around blind corners, with some of the worst grass-verge-parking in the whole of the park. Add in this being a popular part of the park for families and cyclists (including kids with their parents) and you have a sh1tshow. IMO that road needs to be blocked like military road and open it up to recreational users like the area around magazine fort is. With acres road open you don’t need upper glen road as either a rat-run nor a circular route.

They close chesterfield Ave to cars, (weekends in the summer) and push a lot of that traffic down upper glen road. So thats probably part of it.

So you have to assume they think people prefer to recreate on chesterfield Ave than around the upper glen road.

Joe4321 · 22-03-2021 05:26PM

A lot of people use the part that have to drive there maybe 5/10km, are they saying only people within walkin/cycling distance can use this public park, the reasons why the car parks are full is because people travel to this to have a day out, reducing or taking away any more spaces should not be tolerated by the public, of course local residence and cyclists will think its a good idea, you have elderly people and family's using this park that have no alternative but to drive, not drive into a car park go out and get a bus to somewhere that should be easily accessible for everyone not just the local who are lucky enough to live within walking distance. Shame on the councils for trying to drive people away from one of the largest outdoor facilities we have in Dublin,

beauf · 22-03-2021 05:34PM

Its actually quite tricky for a local family with small kids to cycle to the park. Access is abysmal.

Joe4321 · 22-03-2021 05:36PM

Then maybe they can get the bus with everyone else

Seth Brundle · 22-03-2021 05:54PM

Joe4321 wrote: »

A lot of people use the part that have to drive there maybe 5/10km, are they saying only people within walkin/cycling distance can use this public park, the reasons why the car parks are full is because people travel to this to have a day out, reducing or taking away any more spaces should not be tolerated by the public, of course local residence and cyclists will think its a good idea, you have elderly people and family's using this park that have no alternative but to drive, not drive into a car park go out and get a bus to somewhere that should be easily accessible for everyone not just the local who are lucky enough to live within walking distance. Shame on the councils for trying to drive people away from one of the largest outdoor facilities we have in Dublin,

The plans include parking for about 1300 cars if I recall correctly. There may be charges for this parking. So how does this match your view that they are trying to stop people from driving to the park?
Is this not enough spaces for you? Should we tarmac the whole park just to be sure that you can park as close to where you wish to get to?

As for the councils "trying to drive people away from one of the largest outdoor facilities we have in Dublin" - what have the councils got to do with it?

beauf · 22-03-2021 05:58PM

Joe4321 wrote: »

Then maybe they can get the bus with everyone else

Grand. I guess if you are happy with that, we've nothing to complain about.

Joe4321 · 22-03-2021 05:59PM

Don't be so silly, there is room for everybody

Larbre34 · 22-03-2021 07:10PM

Joe4321 wrote: »

Shame on the councils for trying to drive people away from one of the largest outdoor facilities we have in Dublin,

To be fair, it has nothing at all to do with the Councils. The OPW run the Phoenix Park as a national park and heritage amenity.

Treppen · 22-03-2021 07:14PM

Joe4321 wrote: »

Then maybe they can get the bus with everyone else

Get a bus with 4 bikes, are you sure?

Larbre34 · 22-03-2021 08:34PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Just enforce the rules that makes it illegal to park on the verges. FPNs or similar would do nicely

FPN how and for what exactly?

The Road Traffic Acts don't apply to the interior of the Park. The Guards don't have a traffic function within, save for any public safety measure they agree with the Rangers. There isn't even a park bye-law against parking on the grass verges. 'Please don't park here' stickers are as good as it gets.

At the same time, I don't think people should park on the verges, but the notion of setting the cops on them for it, is bogus.

22-03-2021 08:47PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

FPN how and for what exactly?

The Road Traffic Acts don't apply to the interior of the Park. The Guards don't have a traffic function within, save for any public safety measure they agree with the Rangers. There isn't even a park bye-law against parking on the grass verges. 'Please don't park here' stickers are as good as it gets.

At the same time, I don't think people should park on the verges, but the notion of setting the cops on them for it, is bogus.

Richmond park in London is the closest comparable. And no one would ever park on a verge. You know that you’ll get towed within minutes, and it’s now so ingrained that no one would even try. That’s what is needed. And if the rangers don’t have the authority of the parks police in London, then absolutely they should invite Garda traffic to start ticketing people. And it’s not like there is loads of parking - c 1500 spaces for a bigger park

In my opinion

Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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