Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Hector Savage · 19-03-2021 09:26AM

https://www.government.is/news/article/2021/03/16/Exemption-from-border-measures-for-vaccinated-individuals-to-be-extended-to-non-Schengen-countries/

The Icelandic government has announced that all those who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will be allowed to travel to Iceland without being subject to border measures, such as testing and quarantine. Until now, this exemption has only applied to those presenting certificates from the EU/EEA Area but will now apply equally to everyone who can provide proof of a full vaccination with a vaccine that has been certified for use by the European Medical Agency

Great news, now lets hope other countries follow suit - this was my big fear being forced to fork out 200e for a poxy pcr despite being vaccinified ...

I do wonder about the rules regarding children are though....

josip · 19-03-2021 09:29AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://www.government.is/news/article/2021/03/16/Exemption-from-border-measures-for-vaccinated-individuals-to-be-extended-to-non-Schengen-countries/

Great news, now lets hope other countries follow suit - this was my big fear being forced to fork out 200e for a poxy pcr despite being vaccinified ...

I do wonder about the rules regarding children are though....

"Fully vaccinated" which will probably be the case for the EU green cert also.
Another nail in the AZ coffin.

a clanger · 19-03-2021 10:15AM

So I see we are being prepped for a continuation of restrictions

No overseas travel until end of June earliest ( Digital green cert expected in mid-June ...)
So realistically the fine for travel is here until July

No decision on 5k as cabinet split

6 months of lockdown sometimes the cure is worse than the disease
Are the majority even listening to NPHET anymore

source

Corholio · 19-03-2021 10:38AM

a clanger wrote: »

So I see we are being prepped for a continuation of restrictions

No overseas travel until end of June earliest ( Digital green cert expected in mid-June ...)
So realistically the fine for travel is here until July

No decision on 5k as cabinet split

6 months of lockdown sometimes the cure is worse than the disease
Are the majority even listening to NPHET anymore

source

'Advice against overseas travel' doesn't necessarily mean the fine remains until then. I mean who knows with NPHET, but in May or June it could be dropped to what we saw last summer. Now I'm not interested in sun holidays and the like etc but just keeping the huge fine that long without any other robust procedure option will lose a lot of people.

LeeroyJ. · 19-03-2021 11:30AM

Pure insanity, strick lockdown into june. The effects of job Loss, Depression, suicides, debt and the list goes on will be worse than what we have faced during the pandemic. Starting to honestly question if there is a real political will to end lockdowns at this point.

saabsaab · 19-03-2021 11:36AM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Pure insanity, strick lockdown into june. The effects of jobs job Loss, Depression, suicides, debt and the list goes on will be worse than what we have faced during the pandemic. Starting to honestly question if there is a real political will to end lockdowns at this point.

Do you really thing that opening up now won't have consequences? Things won't go back to 'normal' anytime soon. As for increased suicides that has been discredited.

Hooked · 19-03-2021 11:53AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Do you really thing that opening up now won't have consequences? Things won't go back to 'normal' anytime soon. As for increased suicides that has been discredited.

Nobody thinks that "normal" should be resumed... the absolute balls up of the vaccines put an end to that.

Anyone with a BRAIN knows that the 5km rule and some outdoor exercise/similar restrictions are long overdue being lifted.

How is taking the kids for a scenic drive and some fresh air & sunshine more dangerous than dragging them around a bloody supermarket!!

This govt. is not fit for purpose!

Corholio · 19-03-2021 11:55AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Do you really thing that opening up now won't have consequences? Things won't go back to 'normal' anytime soon. As for increased suicides that has been discredited.

Doesn't have to mean 'opening up now', but more of this 'strict lockdown till June' stuff isn't going to help anyone. I understand you're the infinitum 'just keep going until we get it done' type and fair enough, I was very similar last year until the lack of actual plans and appropriate forward vision has come out to be severely lacking.

LeeroyJ. · 19-03-2021 12:20PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Do you really thing that opening up now won't have consequences? Things won't go back to 'normal' anytime soon. As for increased suicides that has been discredited.

There are lockdowns and there are restrictions. Lifting 5km, meeting friends outside, some retail and possibly even outdoor dining (collection at the very least) are long overdue. Nobody is talking about normal, we are talking about a few basics to make this endless lockdown bearable. Other countries seem to have ways to operate on some level and we never even tried local restrictions. At some point there needs to be some sort of basic life resuming and we can't wait until we eventually have enough vaccines (that might not even be the golden bullet we hope by then) and what then? Another year of level 5? Also nothing has been debunked, the long term consequences of this have yet to be seen.

Tenzor07 · 19-03-2021 01:22PM

a clanger wrote: »

So I see we are being prepped for a continuation of restrictions .No overseas travel until end of June earliest ( Digital green cert expected in mid-June ...So realistically the fine for travel is here until July
No decision on 5k as cabinet split
6 months of lockdown sometimes the cure is worse than the disease
Are the majority even listening to NPHET anymore

The way I see Travel going this summer will be no lifting of the "non-essential" travel order until at very least the Autumn, so that means Gardai at the airports handing out fines. Even if that order is lifted by the time it happens most family holidays won't happen as kids should be going back to school fully in September.
NPHET have ignored the EU and WHO on many aspects of international travel and will continue to do so.

The 5k limit will change to 20k/within your county, it has to as it's too big an impact on rural communities and is causing people to congregate in groups where the population is high.

Any opening of Hospitality has to be accompanied by no Stay at home orders or it's pointless to let the industry begin to open again.

josip · 19-03-2021 01:37PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The way I see Travel going this summer will be no lifting of the "non-essential" travel order until at very least the Autumn, so that means Gardai at the airports handing out fines. Even if that order is lifted by the time it happens most family holidays won't happen as kids should be going back to school fully in September.
NPHET have ignored the EU and WHO on many aspects of international travel and will continue to do so.

The 5k limit will change to 20k/within your county, it has to as it's too big an impact on rural communities and is causing people to congregate in groups where the population is high.

Any opening of Hospitality has to be accompanied by no Stay at home orders or it's pointless to let the industry begin to open again.

Very unfair on people living at the county borders.
Spare a thought for the poor citizens of Roscrea and similar.

Ray Donovan · 19-03-2021 01:45PM

josip wrote: »

Very unfair on people living at the county borders.
Spare a thought for the poor citizens of Roscrea and similar.

I often feel sorry for people who live in Roscrea.

CruelSummer · 19-03-2021 01:46PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The way I see Travel going this summer will be no lifting of the "non-essential" travel order until at very least the Autumn, so that means Gardai at the airports handing out fines. Even if that order is lifted by the time it happens most family holidays won't happen as kids should be going back to school fully in September.
NPHET have ignored the EU and WHO on many aspects of international travel and will continue to do so.

The 5k limit will change to 20k/within your county, it has to as it's too big an impact on rural communities and is causing people to congregate in groups where the population is high.

Any opening of Hospitality has to be accompanied by no Stay at home orders or it's pointless to let the industry begin to open again.

This will be completely unacceptable and collapse the economy

Tenzor07 · 19-03-2021 02:23PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This will be completely unacceptable and collapse the economy

Of course, the worst of the economic pain is yet to come..

a clanger · 19-03-2021 02:44PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Of course, the worst of the economic pain is yet to come..

The economy is the sum of all its parts. There are 186,000 on the live register and 486000 on the PUP. Currently it is broken but covered by welfare payments and business supports.
The pain coming is not even discussed. Those savings the fortunate ones have will look mighty tempting to a skint Govt. Private pension raids tax increases its all coming. The piper must be paid.
As for travel airlines have gone bust and the ones still standing will have debts to pay. Try get a flight to LHR next week for less than €200.(rtn) There will be less choice and more cost. No competition and limited capacity. Even when we get to the fabled new normal its not going to look anything like the past !

faceman · 19-03-2021 04:14PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Do you really thing that opening up now won't have consequences? Things won't go back to 'normal' anytime soon. As for increased suicides that has been discredited.

Discredited by who? The Irish government has done an incredible job at deflecting away from focus on the mental health of the nation. While from an Irish statistics perspective, we won’t have suicide figures for 2020 till late this year we can look at what science and other studies can tell us about the links between pandemics, mental health and suicide.

Suicide rates increased during the bubonic plague (Benedictow and Benedictow, 2004).

During the Spanish Flu of 1918, the US reported increased deaths due to suicide (Wasserman, 1992).

Fatality due to suicides increased in the elderly, women and lower socio-economic class during the SARS outbreak in China (Cheung et al., 2008).

The Ebola infection increased self-harm and suicidality in Africa (Bitanihirwe, 2016).

Torales et al. (2020) reported increased self-harm thoughts in the medical staff attending to Covid centers. Similar reports have been found in people who have tested Covid positive (Reger et al., 2020).

A systematic review studying the impact of Covid on psychosocial wellbeing in the South-Asian countries highlighted the increased sleep disturbances, generalized anxiety, substance use, depression and self-harm behavior among the frontline physicians (Banerjee et al., 2020)

The pandemic is still spreading and systematic studies of suicides are will follow in due course.

Multiple models have associated increase in suicides with predicted rises in unemployment and financial crisis (Kawohi and Nordt, 2020; Moser et al., 2020). These studies have referenced a 1% global increase in suicides and used prisons as a proxy measure for the effects of social distancing during the pandemic.

faceman · 19-03-2021 04:17PM

Just on the EU travel cert, the EU will only put pressure on nations if domestically travel is permitted but international travel is restricted.

So if Ireland isn’t permitting inter country travel over the summer the Irish government can still impose international travel restrictions

CruelSummer · 19-03-2021 04:43PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Of course, the worst of the economic pain is yet to come..

If they try and maintain level 5 to June, they’re also keeping the passport office closed. It will be closed for 8 of the last 12 months if this is the case?
Disgraceful and should be challenged.

JojoLoca · 19-03-2021 04:46PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This will be completely unacceptable and collapse the economy

Unfortunately, lads calling the shots (NEPHET) don't care about the economy, people's livehoods or their wellbeing. And Government completely lost the plot.

saabsaab · 19-03-2021 05:17PM

faceman wrote: »

Discredited by who? The Irish government has done an incredible job at deflecting away from focus on the mental health of the nation. While from an Irish statistics perspective, we won’t have suicide figures for 2020 till late this year we can look at what science and other studies can tell us about the links between pandemics, mental health and suicide.

Suicide rates increased during the bubonic plague (Benedictow and Benedictow, 2004).

During the Spanish Flu of 1918, the US reported increased deaths due to suicide (Wasserman, 1992).

Fatality due to suicides increased in the elderly, women and lower socio-economic class during the SARS outbreak in China (Cheung et al., 2008).

The Ebola infection increased self-harm and suicidality in Africa (Bitanihirwe, 2016).

Torales et al. (2020) reported increased self-harm thoughts in the medical staff attending to Covid centers. Similar reports have been found in people who have tested Covid positive (Reger et al., 2020).

A systematic review studying the impact of Covid on psychosocial wellbeing in the South-Asian countries highlighted the increased sleep disturbances, generalized anxiety, substance use, depression and self-harm behavior among the frontline physicians (Banerjee et al., 2020)

The pandemic is still spreading and systematic studies of suicides are will follow in due course.

Multiple models have associated increase in suicides with predicted rises in unemployment and financial crisis (Kawohi and Nordt, 2020; Moser et al., 2020). These studies have referenced a 1% global increase in suicides and used prisons as a proxy measure for the effects of social distancing during the pandemic.

See IT article below

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985

No evidence of an increase.

caveat emptor · 19-03-2021 05:24PM

a clanger wrote: »

The economy is the sum of all its parts. There are 186,000 on the live register and 486000 on the PUP. Currently it is broken but covered by welfare payments and business supports.
The pain coming is not even discussed. Those savings the fortunate ones have will look mighty tempting to a skint Govt. Private pension raids tax increases its all coming. The piper must be paid.
As for travel airlines have gone bust and the ones still standing will have debts to pay. Try get a flight to LHR next week for less than €200.(rtn) There will be less choice and more cost. No competition and limited capacity. Even when we get to the fabled new normal its not going to look anything like the past !

You are just describing the devaluation of a currency which is highly likely. Probably best to buy anything and it'll appreciate relative to the yoyo.

faceman · 19-03-2021 05:59PM

saabsaab wrote: »

See IT article below

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985

No evidence of an increase.

As I said, Ireland won’t have data for 2020 suicides till later this year

We know from research by John, Pirkis, Gunnell, Appleby, Morrissey in 2020 that there was no change to global suicide rates in Q1 and Q2 of 2020 but evidence of increases emerged by November.

But ya know. I’m sure Ireland is immune to suicide issues unlike every other country in the world because.... you said so :pac:

saabsaab · 19-03-2021 06:09PM

faceman wrote: »

As I said, Ireland won’t have data for 2020 suicides till later this year

We know from research by John, Pirkis, Gunnell, Appleby, Morrissey in 2020 that there was no change to global suicide rates in Q1 and Q2 of 2020 but evidence of increases emerged by November.

But ya know. I’m sure Ireland is immune to suicide issues unlike every other country in the world because.... you said so :pac:

Have you a link to back that up?

a clanger · 19-03-2021 07:22PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

If they try and maintain level 5 to June, they’re also keeping the passport office closed. It will be closed for 8 of the last 12 months if this is the case?
Disgraceful and should be challenged.

Only closed for kids and 1st time applicants. Will reopen under Level 4 whenever that comes !
Adult online renewals not requiring submission of paperwork are being processed.

Not much good if you are a family and one of the kids passports is out !. It's a subtle way to restrict the travel of the whole family. I am not suggesting that our Govt are capable of such plotting and planning just an unintended consequence.

acequion · 19-03-2021 07:54PM

faceman wrote: »

Just on the EU travel cert, the EU will only put pressure on nations if domestically travel is permitted but international travel is restricted.

So if Ireland isn’t permitting inter country travel over the summer the Irish government can still impose international travel restrictions

Guys, will ye use common sense! How in the name of good could they justify keeping people bound to their counties or to a km radius for the entire summer!! Not even allow travel for staycations and some bit of domestic tourism!

We have a useless Govt and I've no faith in them but I can't see them daring to try that one or even being that short sighted and stupid, I really can't.

So if people are allowed to move around domestically for staycations and some seasonal leisure they won't be able to straitjacket international travel to the extent they're doing at the moment.

IQO · 19-03-2021 08:32PM

https://twitter.com/donie/status/1373008839365263361?s=19

Here we go again. What don't they understand about the mandatory PCR tests now.

Frank Bullitt · 19-03-2021 08:34PM

All of British Columbia to get their first shot by June now, brought forward from September.

My hope of a trip home for August seem that bit brighter.

KanyeSouthEast · 19-03-2021 08:37PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

All of British Columbia to get their first shot by June now, brought forward from September.

My hope of a trip home for August seem that bit brighter.

Good for you really hope it works out for you. I’m sure your dieing to get home but if you were here you’d be dieing to get away! Hope it all works out though for ya

Frank Bullitt · 19-03-2021 08:43PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Good for you really hope it works out for you. I’m sure your dieing to get home but if you were here you’d be dieing to get away! Hope it all works out though for ya

At this point I just want to see my family and home, in some form.

I lost an uncle a year ago, been missing home a lot lately, so this news has helped a lot. Not expecting pints in the pub or anything like that, but anything will do.

normanoffside · 19-03-2021 10:42PM

I was at the airport today for work purposes and while Gardai were stopping cars approaching the terminals they didn't ask much (you could just say you are collecting someone as I did for example).
Inside the airport the desk before security was unmanned.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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