Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

KanyeSouthEast · 18-03-2021 10:14AM

He said his sense is that Irish public health doctors will want more time to assess the efficacy of vaccines, not just on mortality and severe illness but also in terms of infection.

That’s from the Taoiseach today when asked about EU proposals on opening up travel this summer. More time? How much more time? Let me guess 2 weeks. Careful conservative paddy last. It’s like reading about morality in the 1950s when the Irish bishops had to study the efficacy and effects of a book or film being allowed to be shown in Ireland. This country has a history of backwardness which I thought was behind us boy oh boy how wrong I was.

Donald Trump · 18-03-2021 10:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And there was me thinking that this was just a digital travel certificate to allow me to travel to Greece

That is the thing. The man on the street doesn't have to worry about the same things as the people trying to implement it. Which is why one can't automatically dismiss concerns about difficulties in implementing it because those expressing concerns might be thinking through it more thoroughly than some fella's trip to Greece.

I'm not saying they can't bring it in. I am just saying that the fact that someone indicated that there might be some hurdles to overcome first, is not necessarily nonsense. I was responding to that poster who thought it was

Micky 32 · 18-03-2021 11:05AM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

He said his sense is that Irish public health doctors will want more time to assess the efficacy of vaccines, not just on mortality and severe illness but also in terms of infection.

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I’m guessing this statement is based on allowing us to travel or is it based on if certificates are pointless?

If it’s the former and as we all know there will be always some cases after vaccination because this virus will never be eradicated ( even though i believe transmission will be severely cut) that would mean cops at the airport dishing out fines could be there for the rest of our lives. I knew well the government would shoot it down.

Thank god for dual citizenship.

Plumbthedepths · 18-03-2021 11:17AM

Nphet will advise against any form of 'vaccination passport' , I know this will not be the name the document will be given. The government won't go against Nphet even if it continues to destroy jobs and business. Almost as if government and Nphet don't realise life will have to continue after this.

titan18 · 18-03-2021 11:24AM

Ya, if it's in place for May or early June, i'd say strong chance NPHET advise will still be against all non essential travel. I'd say August at best for us.

dmcsweeney · 18-03-2021 11:39AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nphet will advise against any form of 'vaccination passport' , I know this will not be the name the document will be given. The government won't go against Nphet even if it continues to destroy jobs and business. Almost as if government and Nphet don't realise life will have to continue after this.

The problem is compounded by the media and all the finger waggers out there.

Plumbthedepths · 18-03-2021 11:43AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

The problem is compounded by the media and all the finger waggers out there.

Both these groups take their 'q' from Nphet. Just look at the whingers on some of the threads about people being out and about yesterday against the advice and rules.

dmcsweeney · 18-03-2021 11:51AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Both these groups take their 'q' from Nphet. Just look at the whingers on some of the threads about people being out and about yesterday against the advice and rules.

To be fair I'd say there were some clowns around yesterday! Social distancing etc went out the window. Everyone is blaming travel like its some sort of bogeyman, despite all the control measures. They keep regurgitating the same old article about one flight etc. The real reason the virus continues to spread is some people behaving like apes. Most people probably acted responsibly, but there are always exceptions.

Wallander · 18-03-2021 11:58AM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

He said his sense is that Irish public health doctors will want more time to assess the efficacy of vaccines, not just on mortality and severe illness but also in terms of infection.

That’s from the Taoiseach today when asked about EU proposals on opening up travel this summer. More time? How much more time? Let me guess 2 weeks. Careful conservative paddy last. It’s like reading about morality in the 1950s when the Irish bishops had to study the efficacy and effects of a book or film being allowed to be shown in Ireland. This country has a history of backwardness which I thought was behind us boy oh boy how wrong I was.

You have to feel sorry for anyone in tourism here. There will be huge opportunities when travel restrictions loosen with plenty of urging people to book 'that trip they've always wanted to do'. Our two biggest tourist markets are the two G7 countries with the best vaccination rates yet we are still so hesitant. Other destinations will be marketing actively in the UK or US soon, if they haven't started yet, but if we start advertising for people to plan a visit here, there would probably be call for resignations!

titan18 · 18-03-2021 12:43PM

Wallander wrote: »

You have to feel sorry for anyone in tourism here. There will be huge opportunities when travel restrictions loosen with plenty of urging people to book 'that trip they've always wanted to do'. Our two biggest tourist markets are the two G7 countries with the best vaccination rates yet we are still so hesitant. Other destinations will be marketing actively in the UK or US soon, if they haven't started yet, but if we start advertising for people to plan a visit here, there would probably be call for resignations!

Sure, no point asking people to come here if everything is closed. Indoor pubs will be a fair while before reopening.

mel123 · 18-03-2021 12:47PM

when is the certificate meant to come in? I cant find when they are trying to introduce it, is it immediate effect?

KanyeSouthEast · 18-03-2021 12:53PM

mel123 wrote: »

when is the certificate meant to come in? I cant find when they are trying to introduce it, is it immediate effect?

No not immediately. It’s up for discussion in Europe in the next couple of weeks. I understand there’s a summit of leaders imminent where unfortunately we’ll be represented by Mr Martin. However thinking about it, it could be worse it could be Ms McDonald.

whippet · 18-03-2021 12:54PM

you can be sure the Irish Council for Civil Liberty will make sure this won't happen in Ireland - they seem to be against everything and seem to have a lot of influence

Donald Trump · 18-03-2021 12:57PM

whippet wrote: »

you can be sure the Irish Council for Civil Liberty will make sure this won't happen in Ireland - they seem to be against everything and seem to have a lot of influence

That was my point above. They will definitely fight it at least. Others think it is nonsense to point that out, even though it appears obvious to me, but sure lets wait and see.

18-03-2021 01:01PM

mel123 wrote: »

when is the certificate meant to come in? I cant find when they are trying to introduce it, is it immediate effect?

I think that if it is not immediate, then come countries will go it alone, starting with Greece. They have publicly stated that they want UK holidaymakers from May, and will put in place a vaccine / testing passport mechanism to achieve this. Others will likely follow, and then it will be out of the EU's hands

dmcsweeney · 18-03-2021 01:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that if it is not immediate, then come countries will go it alone, starting with Greece. They have publicly stated that they want UK holidaymakers from May, and will put in place a vaccine / testing passport mechanism to achieve this. Others will likely follow, and then it will be out of the EU's hands

If our own government NPHET had half a brain they'd start dispensing some positive news, with a caveat that we have to perform well over the next few months. People might actually continue to support the lockdown if there was some light at the end of the tunnel. I think they're beginning to lose the room. Personally I'm happy to stay put a while longer but everyone needs a little hope. I'm sure people in tourist dependent counties are going to make a serious effort now to ensure that they have a bumper season.

CruelSummer · 18-03-2021 01:15PM

whippet wrote: »

you can be sure the Irish Council for Civil Liberty will make sure this won't happen in Ireland - they seem to be against everything and seem to have a lot of influence

I don't see how they can fight this in its current proposal. It is not discriminating against people who don't have the vaccine as it allows proof of negative PCR test also. It is a common sense approach. Pat Kenny seemed to be firmly promoting only vaccinated people should travel on his show this morning - it seems he doesn't mind apartheid as long as he's on the winning side, and those 'irresponsible young people' are on the losing side as they'll be last on the list to receive the vaccine.
If we are going to go against EU travel rights for our citizens, people should rightly be up in arms over this. They have no good reason to do this. There are no better scientists/doctors here - actually far worse than the rest of Europe and the U.K..
This goalpost shifting here pretending we've to 'wait and see' do vaccines lessen transmission is another load of rubbish to destroy our travel and connectivity. If the at risk are protected and transmission has been shown to be greatly reduced by vaccinations already in the UK and elsewhere, there's no excuse. It seems they just bank on the gullibility and stupidity of the population to take them at their word and keep complying at all costs.

bluelamp · 18-03-2021 01:27PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

and those 'irresponsible young people' are on the losing side as they'll be last on the list to receive the vaccine.

It would be a strange situation really if it was vaccine cert only, imagine you're an 18 year old, you are at no risk of covid, but you've been told to help protect the elderly and vulnerable for a year by studying from home, not being able to go to pubs / clubs, not have parties, no travel etc.

Then come the summer your 80 year old granny jets off to Lanzarote with her vaccine cert, and you might be allowed to go to Dunmore east

Responder XY · 18-03-2021 01:30PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

If our own government I think they're beginning to lose the room.

They are not beginning to lose the room, it's all but lost at this stage. Even 4 weeks ago most people were frustrated but following the plan. I think most people have made a conscious decision in the past few weeks that they will go about their lives in a way that they feel is safe - but is clearly outside the current rules. Most people are happy to meet in smallish groups outdoors and have their close circle indoors. Distance of travel is completely forgotten about.

By losing the room NPHET have condemned themselves to failure. People's own version of what they think is safe will likely not be enough to stop the spread. But NPHET can only blame themselves for that by not giving people hope and not giving people an outlet to be able to endure.

They made this exact mistake in the autumn and the consequence was that 3rd wave after Christmas.

josip · 18-03-2021 01:43PM

bluelamp wrote: »

It would be a strange situation really if it was vaccine cert only, imagine you're an 18 year old, you are at no risk of covid, but you've been told to help protect the elderly and vulnerable for a year by studying from home, not being able to go to pubs / clubs, not have parties, no travel etc.

Then come the summer your 80 year old granny jets off to Lanzarote with her vaccine cert, and you might be allowed to go to Dunmore east

Maybe the 18 year old decides to contract Covid and obtain the cert via the antibodies criteria.

dmcsweeney · 18-03-2021 01:46PM

josip wrote: »

Maybe the 18 year old decides to contract Covid and obtain the cert via the antibodies criteria.

Funnily enough that struck me this morning. There will be people daft enough to purposely get infected (especially the 'it's only a bad flu' brigade) to avoid having to pay for tests.

New Home · 18-03-2021 02:03PM

It's very likely I'll have to travel to southern Europe by Monday at the latest. I can see that a negative Covid test is required for travel and that it must be dated no more than 48hrs prior to travel.

Does anyone know if additional documentation is needed for flights with a lay-over? Are you allowed to stay in the airport overnight, these days? Schipold, to be specific. My flight wouldn't arrive before 10PM and the connecting flight won't be until the morning.

Are there any extra Covid-related Schengen/Non-Schengen regulations? Any additional checks or fees or regulations regarding luggage?

Would I be right in saying I don't have to quarantine on my return, provided I've a negative Covid test?

I've had a look through the thread but I can't find anything related to this which is from the last week or so.

Thanks.

EDIT: Also, are you allowed to take public transport on your return?

Corholio · 18-03-2021 03:55PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That was my point above. They will definitely fight it at least. Others think it is nonsense to point that out, even though it appears obvious to me, but sure lets wait and see.

My original point was that the specific civil liberty defence is nonsense, of course there will be groups who fight it and everything else. Micheal Martin saying some defence rhetoric wasn't nonsense, they've been pushing back at every opportunity, but what he specifically said was nonsense. It's not a vaccination passport. I think some already railing against this don't even realise that.

Ray Donovan · 18-03-2021 05:11PM

Corholio wrote: »

It's not a vaccination passport. I think some already railing against this don't even realise that.

Exactly!

IQO · 18-03-2021 05:58PM

New Home wrote: »

It's very likely I'll have to travel to southern Europe by Monday at the latest. I can see that a negative Covid test is required for travel and that it must be dated no more than 48hrs prior to travel.

Does anyone know if additional documentation is needed for flights with a lay-over? Are you allowed to stay in the airport overnight, these days? Schipold, to be specific. My flight wouldn't arrive before 10PM and the connecting flight won't be until the morning.

Are there any extra Covid-related Schengen/Non-Schengen regulations? Any additional checks or fees or regulations regarding luggage?

Would I be right in saying I don't have to quarantine on my return, provided I've a negative Covid test?

I've had a look through the thread but I can't find anything related to this which is from the last week or so.

Thanks.

EDIT: Also, are you allowed to take public transport on your return?

- Amsterdam Airport remains open, also behind security. You can stay overnight behind security. However shoot them a message on social media to be sure, they are responding quickly normally.
- I would only recommend staying behind security if you are flying on one ticket, not a separate one flying out from Amsterdam.
- As you need two tests (PCR and rapid), even for transiting in Amsterdam, why not stay at an airport hotel there? Prices are cheap now.
- If you need to pick up or recheck luggage you can't stay overnight behind security.

- Double check that your PCR test should be taken max 48 hours before starting your journey, or have been taken 48 hours before arriving (taking some time for delays etc). Ireland requires 72 hours before arriving.
- I transited recently in Amsterdam from non-Schengen (Ireland) to Schengen (Spain), no specific thing to note there.

- See here the entry requirements back into Ireland, as well as taking another PCR test after 5 days to end the quarantine: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#quarantine-requirements - as you didn't state the country you're going to, you have to see for yourself if that is applicable.

Tazz T · 18-03-2021 06:19PM

josip wrote: »

Maybe the 18 year old decides to contract Covid and obtain the cert via the antibodies criteria.

Jesus. There's a scenario. Young people actively going out and catching Covid, because they can't get the jab, so they can get a green cert to go on holiday.

Ray Donovan · 18-03-2021 06:52PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1372620749454909445?s=21

New Home · 18-03-2021 07:03PM

IQO wrote: »

- Amsterdam Airport remains open, also behind security. You can stay overnight behind security. However shoot them a message on social media to be sure, they are responding quickly normally.
- I would only recommend staying behind security if you are flying on one ticket, not a separate one flying out from Amsterdam.
- As you need two tests (PCR and rapid), even for transiting in Amsterdam, why not stay at an airport hotel there? Prices are cheap now.
- If you need to pick up or recheck luggage you can't stay overnight behind security.

- Double check that your PCR test should be taken max 48 hours before starting your journey, or have been taken 48 hours before arriving (taking some time for delays etc). Ireland requires 72 hours before arriving.
- I transited recently in Amsterdam from non-Schengen (Ireland) to Schengen (Spain), no specific thing to note there.

- See here the entry requirements back into Ireland, as well as taking another PCR test after 5 days to end the quarantine: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#quarantine-requirements - as you didn't state the country you're going to, you have to see for yourself if that is applicable.

Thank you very much, IQO, that's very helpful.

Re: staying in the airport, I wanted to avoid having to go to a hotel and potentially increasing the risks (between taxis/public transport over and back and the hotel itself).

I didn't know about the requirement to have both tests done, that puts yet another spanner in the works...

Re: the quarantine, I don't suppose it'd make any difference if I got a test done on the day of my arrival, would it?

Also, I know logically the answer should be "no", but I don't suppose you'd be allowed to get to your destination (the place you'll be quarantining in) using public transport, would you? Or would you be permitted to rent a car?

ninebeanrows · 18-03-2021 07:03PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1372620749454909445?s=21

Current wave is ideal really, it will be bottoming out during peak holiday season... rates are peaking now in eastern europe....usually 6-8 weeks before they bottom out..................SUMMER!

Ray Donovan · 18-03-2021 07:06PM

From RTE:

Asked about EU plans for travel abroad for those vaccinated and if Ireland could see involvement, Dr Glynn: "I don't see our advice [on international travel] changing in the short-term… up to the end of June".

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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