Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

faceman · 15-03-2021 03:12PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Gas post.

I'd wonder more at the sat (sic) people who cream themselves at the thoughts of a 19.99 flight to the Costa Del Sol (or even the UK - I mean come on - how bad are your life choices here that a random flight to a random part of the UK, as in no specific purpose, is something to publicly shout about?)

There also curiously seem to be plenty on here who love lockdown so much that they'll fight to create the conditions to prolong it. Encouraging others to go out there and bypass or break restrictions so that new and improved variants can be brought in a spread around.

One might compare the situation to a modern day marshmallow test. It is well documented that the results of those tests usually correlate positively to, and are good future indicators of, standardised measures of intelligence.

Most people like to travel. If you feel that you have to "escape" from something here then you can change your medium- and long-term situation if you really want to.

I have a list of places I want to go to and a list of friends around the world that I will visit when this is all over. I'd prefer it if I could go in the Autumn, but if I can't I'll just go later. No big deal in the greater scheme of things. It's not as if it would be my only opportunity to ever go anywhere.

In fairness, the Irish lockdown has gone on for so long it’s no longer a short term situation :pac:

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 03:29PM

faceman wrote: »

In fairness, the Irish lockdown has gone on for so long it’s no longer a short term situation :pac:

But we are still within expected timelines - no?
When it started, they talked about having a vaccine developed and approved at super-fast speeds (compared to normal) of about a year? And we have a tentative schedule for vaccinating people.

There are still a lot of unknowns but I think that most reasonable people would have known that the problem wouldn't be gone by now. It won't be "gone" in a year either but hopefully over time things will return back to more or less the way they were.

We did have a huge spike in Jan and it was linked to Christmas. Was the couple of weeks of the minority breaking rules around Christmas worth the hassle of everyone having to go into a more severe lockdown in the New Year? I mean I don't think so. If there are people on here who went to a house party in Dec - looking back would you have preferred that there was no house party in Dec and no Level 5 in Jan? There is cause and effect.

Personally I'm happy to forgo foreign travel for the next 6 months (longer if needs be) if it means we can relax day-to-day restrictions a little earlier.

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 03:30PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'd wonder more at the sat (sic) people who cream themselves at the thoughts of a 19.99 flight to the Costa Del Sol (or even the UK - I mean come on - how bad are your life choices here that a random flight to a random part of the UK, as in no specific purpose, is something to publicly shout about?)

"Cream themselves at the thoughts of a 19.99 flight to the Costa Del Sol"

Interesting viewpoint to say the least, and then being critical of the life choices of people you will never meet or even know. Costa Del Sol must be like some sort of hell on earth for you. This isn't the first time you have been critical of certain holiday destinations. I sense a smell of class snobbery in the air.

What is even more interesting is that you were banned by a moderator from the covid restrictions thread a few weeks ago. Hmmm...

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 03:32PM

RobitTV wrote: »

"Cream themselves at the thoughts of a 19.99 flight to the Costa Del Sol"

Interesting viewpoint to say the least, and then being critical of the life choices of people you will never meet or even know. Costa Del Sol must be like some sort of hell on earth for you. This isn't the first time you have been critical of certain holiday destinations. I sense a smell of class snobbery in the air.

What is even more interesting is that you were banned by a moderator from the covid restrictions thread a few weeks ago. Hmmm...

That's right. Hardly that interesting now is it?

I mean if I am banned, it's going to be by a moderator. That's kind of the way things work

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 03:34PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's right. Hardly that interesting now is it?

It's rather insightful. It's not easy to get permanently banned by a moderator from an entire thread. The moderator made an interesting decision.

I'm well aware of the duties that a moderator undertakes.

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 03:38PM

RobitTV wrote: »

It's rather insightful. It's not easy to get permanently banned by a moderator from an entire thread. Just saying.

Well in that case I called out another anonymous poster who was posting derogatory insults against an identified female healthcare worker on twitter whose tweet was copied and pasted to the thread.

You're not a moderator anyway. So wind your neck in and look after yourself.

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 03:43PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well in that case I called out another anonymous poster who was posting derogatory insults against an identified female healthcare worker on twitter whose tweet was copied and pasted to the thread.

You're not a moderator anyway. So wind your neck in and look after yourself.

I never claimed to be a moderator or have anything to do with Boards.ie

But please don't judge people on where they travel or how they act in the future. Don't judge users who you don't even know. Who gave you this right to sit in judgement?

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 03:55PM

RobitTV wrote: »

I never claimed to be a moderator or have anything to do with Boards.ie

But please don't judge people on where they travel or how they act in the future. Don't judge users who you don't even know. Who gave you this right to sit in judgement?

Nobody is judging anyone on where they travel.

Life choices has nothing to do with money. They have to do with yourself. You could feel stuck in a tiny village and be working a minimum wage job and feel depressed because you want to be somewhere else, anywhere else. Your twin brother could have emigrated far away with a great qualification and high paying job and be depressed because all he wants to do is be at home in that village with his friends and family. Both might have made bad choices compared to what they actually wanted.

You are the one that is taking some kind of imagined offence

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 03:59PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Nobody is judging anyone on where they travel.

You seem to be rather critical of the type of people who travel to the Costa Del Sol. That is where I am making my argument. Previously you have posted many times about the type of people who go to these sun destinations. It's perfectly fine if that isn't your cup of tea.

But there is no need to put down others who like these destinations. Everyone happens to be different in this world. Some people hate it and other people like it.

We are all individuals at the end of the day. I'm sure people would respect the places you wish to visit. I'm not attempting to start some sort of argument with you, but this is just how I have observed some of your past posts.

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 04:22PM

RobitTV wrote: »

You seem to be rather critical of the type of people who travel to the Costa Del Sol. That is where I am making my argument. Previously you have posted many times about the type of people who go to these sun destinations. It's perfectly fine if that isn't your cup of tea.

But there is no need to put down others who like these destinations. Everyone happens to be different in this world. Some people hate it and other people like it.

We are all individuals at the end of the day. I'm sure people would respect the places you wish to visit. I'm not attempting to start some sort of argument with you, but this is just how I have observed some of your past posts.

Well your confusion may stem from the fact that you are conflating two things - the first being the choice of physical destination and the second being the people who appear to think that it is the worst thing in the world that they might have to postpone their trip there for a few months.

It's a 19.99 flight. It's not a once-in-a-lifetime never-to-be-repeated opportunity. It will be there next year. People should have a bit of perspective. (Maybe you'll pay 59.99 or 79.99...point still stands)

The people who are on here and complaining the loudest are complaining about trips to those destinations. They are cheap to get to and no visas or other restrictions under normal circumstances.

If you had trained for a year to try to climb up Everest and you had your permits all ready to go and you couldn't go because of corona, then that might mean you'll never get to do it in your lifetime and being upset would be understandable.

If you had booked a trip and snagged passes to go to see the mountain gorillas in Uganda for a few hours and you might never get again allocated passes, then I can understand being upset.

But being dramatic because you have to postpone a cheap flight to the continent is a bit too much.

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 04:34PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

But being dramatic because you have to postpone a cheap flight to the continent is a bit too much.

It's not about dramatics. It's not about flying to any destination. It's not about waiting. It's not even about covid.

It's about the type of people who are critical of where people choose to holiday in. The judgemental attitudes of certain people within our society who randomly dislike destinations they never been to themselves, and look down upon people they don't even know. We are supposed to be a more open minded society. But you wouldn't think that most of the time. This type of bizarre attitude against people who live or act a certain way should of ended 50 years ago. But it continues today in the year 2021.

People will travel again, and they will fly to where they love going to. The location is irrelevant.

Costa Del Sol, Timbuktu or Uganda - who cares.

gozunda · 15-03-2021 05:41PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

another month and the mass exit from an indefinite lockdown nation will begin in ernest I have left wont be back till next year when its over.
While everything is open the rules are strict unlike the oppsite in Ireland so prepare and contain your selves out there.

I am subject to restrictions and at least 1 more test having had 2 already but it is such an order process its a pleasure to know I can do all the precivid things next week, so "To Hell With Ireland And its Prolockdowners"

Yeah cant wait for the inevitable posts about the strict rules there tbf.

We wish you a pleasant stay

15-03-2021 05:52PM

RobitTV wrote: »

It's not about dramatics. It's not about flying to any destination. It's not about waiting. It's not even about covid.

It's about the type of people who are critical of where people choose to holiday in. The judgemental attitudes of certain people within our society who randomly dislike destinations they never been to themselves, and look down upon people they don't even know. We are supposed to be a more open minded society. But you wouldn't think that most of the time. This type of bizarre attitude against people who live or act a certain way should of ended 50 years ago. But it continues today in the year 2021.

People will travel again, and they will fly to where they love going to. The location is irrelevant.

Costa Del Sol, Timbuktu or Uganda - who cares.

When things go back to normal, I would agree with you.
Right now, people are entitled to be critical of people who are breaking the law.

Corholio · 15-03-2021 06:03PM

bubblypop wrote: »

When things go back to normal, I would agree with you.
Right now, people are entitled to be critical of people who are breaking the law.

I'm not one of those who will be or want to go to Costa Del, but some here are conflating genuine frustration with the travel restrictions with 'anyone who complains just wants to go on a sun holiday'. Seems to be a few here too who just sit and snipe at anyone who leverage any type of frustration as well. It's sad to see. There's plenty of genuine reasons for annoyance that are nothing to do with 'a few pints in the sun'

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 06:05PM

bubblypop wrote: »

When things go back to normal, I would agree with you.
Right now, people are entitled to be critical of people who are breaking the law.

That's understandable. I have nothing against people who wish to comment on the covid regulations, and those who have broken the rules while everyone else has tried so hard this past year and put their lives on hold.

Ten of Swords · 15-03-2021 06:18PM

RobitTV wrote: »

What is even more interesting is that you were banned by a moderator from the covid restrictions thread a few weeks ago. Hmmm...

Donald Trump wrote: »

I mean if I am banned, it's going to be by a moderator. That's kind of the way things work

RobitTV wrote: »

It's rather insightful. It's not easy to get permanently banned by a moderator from an entire thread. The moderator made an interesting decision.

I'm well aware of the duties that a moderator undertakes.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well in that case I called out another anonymous poster who was posting derogatory insults against an identified female healthcare worker on twitter whose tweet was copied and pasted to the thread.

You're not a moderator anyway. So wind your neck in and look after yourself.

The pair of you can give the above type of posts a rest and get back on topic if you intend to keep posting in this thread

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 06:19PM

RobitTV wrote: »

It's not about dramatics. It's not about flying to any destination. It's not about waiting. It's not even about covid.

It's about the type of people who are critical of where people choose to holiday in. The judgemental attitudes of certain people within our society who randomly dislike destinations they never been to themselves, and look down upon people they don't even know. We are supposed to be a more open minded society. But you wouldn't think that most of the time. This type of bizarre attitude against people who live or act a certain way should of ended 50 years ago. But it continues today in the year 2021.

People will travel again, and they will fly to where they love going to. The location is irrelevant.

Costa Del Sol, Timbuktu or Uganda - who cares.

I explained this to you already. You either didn't read the explanation or are ignoring it in a vain attempt to twist it to gain internet points.

Certain destinations are cheap and accessible. If you have to give them a miss this year then you can go 2/3/4 times next year. It is not a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. It is you who is trying to deflect to twist the point into being about the specifics of any particular destination.

And the only reason that I can think that you want to do that is that you know that you cannot defend against the principal logic of my point.

RobitTV · 15-03-2021 06:26PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I explained this to you already. You either didn't read the explanation or are ignoring it in a vain attempt to twist it to gain internet points.

Certain destinations are cheap and accessible. If you have to give them a miss this year then you can go 2/3/4 times next year. It is not a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. It is you who is trying to deflect to twist the point into being about the specifics of any particular destination.

And the only reason that I can think that you want to do that is that you know that you cannot defend against the principal logic of my point.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I'm coming at this from a totally different angle and a different viewpoint.

I'm not on about giving certain destinations a miss or how cheap or accessible they are. My argument has not got anything to do with that at all. I don't care about the destination or the cost. They aren't the critical factors for the argument I was attempting to make about society in general and how people view certain destinations and different people. Never mind.

dmcsweeney · 15-03-2021 06:41PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Most people like to travel and see different things in new places. If you feel that you have to "escape" from something here then you can change your medium- and long-term situation if you really want to. When I go somewhere, it is something that draws me to there. Not something that pushes me from here.

I'd like to escape the Irish weather, and the doom and gloom in the media in relation to Covid. People here are feeding on it, as a lot of people in this country tend to do. The rest of my situation is just fine thanks, and I certainly don't need to escape other aspects of my life, though a break from work would be nice, and I rarely achieve that fully even when abroad. It's pretty much impossible for me when I'm in the country. I was in northern Italy last summer and it was a real eye opener. No mass hysteria, no finger waggers, just hope and optimism. That's what we are all missing in this country.

josip · 15-03-2021 07:04PM

bubblypop wrote: »

When things go back to normal, I would agree with you.
Right now, people are entitled to be critical of people who are breaking the law.

Would you have said the same about people selling contraceptives before 1979 bubbly?

15-03-2021 07:47PM

josip wrote: »

Would you have said the same about people selling contraceptives before 1979 bubbly?

I have no issue with people not agreeing with laws, or campaigning for laws to be changed. There's plenty of laws I don't agree with.
But, if someone breaks the law, some people will criticise them. Which is their right.

a clanger · 15-03-2021 07:56PM

people are entitled to be critical of people who are breaking the law

We are talking about foreign travel here but as people in glasshouses etc etc

You only have to look at traffic/ kids playing / women's hairdressing / DIY shops etc ...there are very few on here who can honestly say they haven't broken a covid law. Braking a law is braking a law and the silent majority seem to have decided to be happy enough to pick and choose except when it comes to foreign travel

Donald Trump · 15-03-2021 08:03PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I'd like to escape the Irish weather, and the doom and gloom in the media in relation to Covid. People here are feeding on it, as a lot of people in this country tend to do. The rest of my situation is just fine thanks, and I certainly don't need to escape other aspects of my life, though a break from work would be nice, and I rarely achieve that fully even when abroad. It's pretty much impossible for me when I'm in the country. I was in northern Italy last summer and it was a real eye opener. No mass hysteria, no finger waggers, just hope and optimism. That's what we are all missing in this country.

"Escape" was the word you used. I didn't introduce it into the conversation. One would think that if you need to escape from something, and you manage to get away from it, that you wouldn't voluntarily return to it.

The weather in Ireland tends to be roughly the same year-on-year. If it is that much of an issue, a more permanent solution might be necessary than a temporary sticking plaster relief of a few weeks away on a holiday.

You have freedom of movement within the EU. And given that you are already fluent in Italian, you could easily move there if you actually wanted to escape here.

SwissToni · 16-03-2021 07:41AM

Looks like the US air traffic is starting to recover.

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/us-carriers-signal-signs-of-post-covid-recovery

dmcsweeney · 16-03-2021 08:47AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

"Escape" was the word you used. I didn't introduce it into the conversation. One would think that if you need to escape from something, and you manage to get away from it, that you wouldn't voluntarily return to it.

The weather in Ireland tends to be roughly the same year-on-year. If it is that much of an issue, a more permanent solution might be necessary than a temporary sticking plaster relief of a few weeks away on a holiday.

You have freedom of movement within the EU. And given that you are already fluent in Italian, you could easily move there if you actually wanted to escape here.

I think you need a holiday too, very passive aggressive if you don't mind me saying so. I could sell up and easily afford a nice property there, probably on Lake Garda, and with qualifications and experience I'd easily get a job. But I have other ties here. We are going to look at property over there this year though, with a view to getting away more often. I do have a good life here, I just happen to like travelling, even as part of my job, and I've been lucky enough to travel a good chunk of the world. I have also lived and worked abroad (well Monday to Friday anyhow). I work in a high pressure job, and that's why I like to escape. Would I change it? If someone paid me the same money to do something easy I would, but that would never happen, and I enjoy all it brings. I'm lucky in all this, I can do a lot of work from home, yet I can still get out as much as I want, I'm not stuck in a small house, and I've got 54 arces of land around my house, plus lots of side projects to keep me occupied. So I can't begin to imagine how people cooked up in apartments etc feel. I can't imagine how much they long for a holiday. We travelled last year, despite returning from a green list country, we restricted our movements as per HSE guidelines for 14 days. We posed no treat to anyone. This year, I'll take all the tests they want me to take, I'll isolate if required, and do it right. Thursday morning social media will be full of images and videos of people blatantly breaking restrictions, yet I'll be the target if I travel this year. Someone told me last year that they were 'speechless' that we were travelling. That same person took her kids, who had been mixing with others, to visit her mother who had underlying conditions, in breach of the non essential travel rules. My family and I have adhered to the rules pretty much 100%, in fact the only journey I've made that could be classed is non essential was travelling to pick up my range rover I bought in January. I have also kept my elderly parents safe, along with helping out a few elderly neighbours.

Sorry for the long reply, but I really do think you should be a bit more considerate when taking people to task over their plans, or questioning the way they live their lives. Why not start planning your next trip, brightens up the day and it might take your mind off other peoples plans if they bother you that much. PS; I'd highly recommend the Italian lakes (especially Garda - suitable for all family types depending on where you go) and Portofino on the coast is a must see. Also, despite the fact that they suffered so much loss, their sense of optimism is more infectious than Covid. It's good for the soul to spend time in the company (socially distant of course) of people with such a positive attitude about the future, and life in general.

16-03-2021 09:15AM

That old excuse, other people broke some rules so I'm going to break some other rules!

If people are going to travel, just say you're going to travel. Why try come up with excuses?
Just stand over your own decisions

Father Hernandez · 16-03-2021 09:20AM

https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1371749389543350272?s=20

The children are getting the virus from people returning from Lanzarote I heard....

dmcsweeney · 16-03-2021 09:21AM

bubblypop wrote: »

That old excuse, other people broke some rules so I'm going to break some other rules!

If people are going to travel, just say you're going to travel. Why try come up with excuses?
Just stand over your own decisions

And what rules have I broken? If you actually read my post, you would have noticed that I travelled last year, to a green list country, yet completed 14 days restricted movement as per the HSE guidelines, even though it was not required. I clearly stated that I would take any tests necessary, and quarantine on return this year. So what rules am I breaking? What excuses am I making? If you're referring to me collecting a car, that could probably be classed as essential as I need to get to some places off road as part of my (essential) job and needed a 4x4 as my normal car couldn't get there. Explain?

Del Griffith · 16-03-2021 09:38AM

bubblypop wrote: »

That old excuse, other people broke some rules so I'm going to break some other rules!

If people are going to travel, just say you're going to travel. Why try come up with excuses?
Just stand over your own decisions

No one is making up excuses for boards.ie, they can save those for the Garda at the airport.

I'm already away but if I was in Ireland I'd feel no shame whatsoever in taking a holiday. I'd send you a postcard.

dmcsweeney · 16-03-2021 09:42AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

No one is making up excuses for boards.ie, they can save those for the Garda at the airport.

I'm already away but if I was in Ireland I'd feel no shame whatsoever in taking a holiday. I'd send you a postcard.

The village folk are on their way, burning pitch forks in hand. Did you not receive the memo stating that we are all supposed to be miserable until further notice? If they want a positive spin, it's one less person to spread it in the community :pac:

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