300,000 rounds stolen

27-02-2021 11:51am

meathstevie wrote: »

I’m quite sure that if you went scratching the surface a wee bit here and there in Ireland that you’ll find a few people in the Defence Forces and the Dail and possibly the Gardai who privately think Eoin o’Duffy was a great lad.

Maybe back at that time, Id be surprised if many/any even know of that guy at all now.
The whole Bundeswer stuff sounds like Reds under the bed Cold war McCarthy fear mongering, almost like they are trying to discredit their army, some might have an agenda to do that, seeing enemies everywhere after a few actual examples have been discovered, tiny percent.

riffmongous · 27-02-2021 1:34pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Do you mean this lad that was found in May last year in Saschen Anhalt who was a KSK trooper?
It's never been made public yet as to exactly what he had apart from the usual sweeping media terms..."A machinegun" tells us nothing much... or that he had "large amounts of rifle and pistol ammo."He could have smuggled all that in from a tour of duty in Afghanistan or the Balkans. It doesn't mean it all walked out of the barracks armoury! Be a major scandal if it did!

While an alarming find, it's one particular man and the trouble with German media saying "extreme right-wing" it almost instantly equals Neo-Nazi in everyone's perception over there. You'll get to see this as you will be over there for a spell in the German perception.
Could be this unit lost good friends and comrades in Afghanistan, and are bitter against Afghani Taliban or something of the like..that in today's PC world classifies you as a right-wing extremist.

Someone got pissed one night and sang the Horst Wessel leid up in the barracks with his boozed-up mates? Neo-Nazis in the Heer!
There is a lot more to this story,and the backstory and context of this is important too
I'm not trying to excuse or justify it BTW, but this is almost a regular occurrence in the Bundeswehr that they are finding neo-Nazis hiding under every cot, or right-wing extremists in every locker. and have been doing so since the Bundeswehr was founded. And in this case, it's juicy , because it's the KSK[ Germanys SAS] that's involved.

I've seen it written in a few places, here is one in English.

A report by Germany's Military Counterintelligence Service (MAD) in January revealed that 500 soldiers in the German military were being investigated for right-wing extremism.

MAD noted that 20 of the suspected right-wing extremism cases currently being processed were within the KSK. In relation to the number of personnel, this was five times the proportion in the rest of the Bundeswehr.

https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-dissolved-due-to-far-right-concerns/a-54386661

I think it goes a bit beyond the 'anything right = nazi hysteria' though, this is what I've gathered so far from reading related articles..

It's hard to tell of course cause they are a secret unit but it does seem like there was/is a cell of a neo-nazi group in there. Daniel K was one of the KSK trainers and recruiters and was supposed to be kicked out recently after it was discovered he was in a NDP youth group and lied about it

Andre S. set up an underground "Day - X" prepper group and ran illegal shooting courses

The guy you mentioned above had a few Nazi paraphernalia and was also a part of the prepper group I think, although he claimed differently in court.

And they were all involved in a leaving party with hitler salutes and nazi-rock that made the news a few years ago.

Also associated with the prepper group and Andre S. was regular soldier and neo-nazi Franco A. who was pretending to be a syrian refugee and was arrested for planning a false flag attack.

Could all be coincidence alright, maybe they really are just preppers, or collectors or assholes who find hitler salutes funny, but it's the kind of thing that definitely needs to be investigated.

Grizzly 45 · 27-02-2021 3:19pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I've seen it written in a few places, here is one in English.

https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-dissolved-due-to-far-right-concerns/a-54386661

Deutsche Welle,saw that article,again MSM giving broad brushstrokes to this story.

Andre S. set up an underground "Day - X" prepper group and ran illegal shooting courses

His name has shown up since the National Socialist Underground affair in the late oughties where this group was shooting Turkish emigrants all over Germany,and finally were trapped in a camper van and ostensibly committed suicide in Bavaria.
[Strange how someone who shot themselves in the head with a pump-action could eject the spent shell and reload a fresh one, and then set a camper van on fire:eek:]
The day X [Tag X] is from the Turner diaries, which the NSU was obsessed with. So it kind of strange that they are pulling this old story into it.

The problem is that there was a lot of involvement and ties to Germany's secret services the BND with the NSU, and its still not clear whether this NSU was a "lightning rod" organisation set up by the BND

The guy you mentioned above had a few Nazi paraphernalia and was also a part of the prepper group I think, although he claimed differently in court.

The Nord KreutzNorthern Cross group?
That is a story in itself. That ties in with all this does attract a bunch of weirdos alright and is still active today, As it isn't a proscribed group under german law

.https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordkreuz#:~:text=Die%20Gruppe%20bildete%20sich%20Anfang,Netzwerks%2C%20das%202018%20entdeckt%20wurde.&text=vom%20August%202020%20ist%20die%20Gruppe%20weiter%20aktiv[Google translate is your friend here].

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nd they were all involved in a leaving party with hitler salutes and nazi-rock that made the news a few years ago.

Also associated with the prepper group and Andre S. was regular soldier and neo-nazi Franco A. who was pretending to be a syrian refugee and was arrested for planning a false flag attack.

All in the above wiki article

Could all be a coincidence alright, maybe they really are just preppers, or collectors or assholes who find hitler salutes funny, but it's the kind of thing that definitely needs to be investigated

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It's a complex mix of everything we've mentioned and is a situation that needs to be nipped in the bud, but it is unfair to say that the entire Bundeswehr has a neo-nazi problem.
It's interesting to see tho that the majority of these groups and people are former East Germans and originate in former East Germany.The difference between two occupying forces made on the education and outlook of a generation.

Grizzly 45 · 27-02-2021 3:25pm

1874 wrote: »

Maybe back at that time, Id be surprised if many/any even know of that guy at all now.
The whole Bundeswer stuff sounds like Reds under the bed Cold war McCarthy fear mongering, almost like they are trying to discredit their army, some might have an agenda to do that, seeing enemies everywhere after a few actual examples have been discovered, tiny percent.

We seem to have a few of our own homegrown Right-wing nutters in the army as well.:rolleyes:
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5980346/irish-defence-forces-far-right-neo-nazi/

riffmongous · 27-02-2021 5:46pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

His name has shown up since the National Socialist Underground affair in the late oughties where this group was shooting Turkish emigrants all over Germany,and finally were trapped in a camper van and ostensibly committed suicide in Bavaria.
[Strange how someone who shot themselves in the head with a pump-action could eject the spent shell and reload a fresh one, and then set a camper van on fire:eek:]

Right I remember that now, wasn't there always the suspicion that there was another member who was never uncovered.. not too hard to believe when you consider how long they managed to operate without the authorities having a clue

The day X [Tag X] is from the Turner diaries, which the NSU was obsessed with. So it kind of strange that they are pulling this old story into it.

Ah ok, that's what it's from. I think it must have come back into prominence amongst these people around the time of the refugee crisis, like with most apocalypse theories, you just keep refitting them to the next crisis.

The problem is that there was a lot of involvement and ties to Germany's secret services the BND with the NSU, and its still not clear whether this NSU was a "lightning rod" organisation set up by the BND

The Nord KreutzNorthern Cross group?
That is a story in itself. That ties in with all this does attract a bunch of weirdos alright and is still active today, As it isn't a proscribed group under german law

.https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordkreuz#:~:text=Die%20Gruppe%20bildete%20sich%20Anfang,Netzwerks%2C%20das%202018%20entdeckt%20wurde.&text=vom%20August%202020%20ist%20die%20Gruppe%20weiter%20aktiv[Google translate is your friend here].

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All in the above wiki article

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Yeah exactly them. It's fascinating to read about it all. When I lived in Austria I had a rough idea of the situation there, but there it's got a very different character I think, far-right politics is a lot more normalised so you hear quite often things like "local village councillor resigns after being photographed with a swastika", the monthly 'Einzelfall', but it's not a big deal. Now perhaps Austria also has the cell networks too as they definitely did in the 80s but in Germany it seems much more underground and extreme, and feels a bit more dangerous because of that.

It's a complex mix of everything we've mentioned and is a situation that needs to be nipped in the bud, but it is unfair to say that the entire Bundeswehr has a neo-nazi problem.

It's interesting to see tho that the majority of these groups and people are former East Germans and originate in former East Germany.The difference between two occupying forces made on the education and outlook of a generation.

The corona numbers are a good current example of the East/West divide

27-02-2021 9:43pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

We seem to have a few of our own homegrown Right-wing nutters in the army as well.:rolleyes:
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5980346/irish-defence-forces-far-right-neo-nazi/

Looks like its one person, I think they will sort that out.
Ive heard of similar for the US, where gangs were encouraging members to join the army/marines to get weapons training and combat experience.
But this is one person, meanwhile Im wondering how long it would take me to go through 300k

Munsterlad102 · 27-02-2021 9:57pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

We seem to have a few of our own homegrown Right-wing nutters in the army as well.:rolleyes:
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5980346/irish-defence-forces-far-right-neo-nazi/

I actually spoke to that lad before and I can honestly say that the article is complete bullsh*t, along with the other 5 or so copy and pastes. He had a group called Na Ridirí or the Knights in English which was a group for young lads to get in shape, do litter clean up, book reviews etc. The controversy about it was the lad in charge wore a t-shirt with a sonnenrad which is a right wing symbol associated with neo-nazis and the like. I don't think he was that way enclined but I'm not sure, I only spoke to him about Irish gun laws. He made a post on gun rights so I just offered a little information. The lad isn't even in the army:D that does to show how little these "journalists" know.

BattleCorp · 28-02-2021 3:17pm

1874 wrote: »

Looks like its one person, I think they will sort that out.
Ive heard of similar for the US, where gangs were encouraging members to join the army/marines to get weapons training and combat experience.
But this is one person, meanwhile Im wondering how long it would take me to go through 300k

If you had 300k rounds, you wouldn't be as stingy with it as you probably are now.

I could easily shoot up to 500 rounds of .22 at the range on a Saturday (pre-lockdown). Shoot 100 or 200 in the rifle, some more in the pistol, go in for a cup of tea and talk sh1te and then back out for another couple of hundred rounds. Doesn't be long going.

tudderone · 28-02-2021 3:20pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

If you had 300k rounds, you wouldn't be as stingy with it as you probably are now.

I could easily shoot up to 500 rounds of .22 at the range on a Saturday (pre-lockdown). Shoot 100 or 200 in the rifle, some more in the pistol, go in for a cup of tea and talk sh1te and then back out for another couple of hundred rounds. Doesn't be long going.

Thought it was only me that did that

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2021 4:08pm

1874 wrote: »

Looks like its one person, I think they will sort that out.
Ive heard of similar for the US, where gangs were encouraging members to join the army/marines to get weapons training and combat experience.
But this is one person, meanwhile Im wondering how long it would take me to go through 300k

Hell yeah,its a problem in the US armed forces alright,and has been because they aren't really getting much in fresh recruits and these guys are doing their military job of killing Americas "enemies":rolleyes: extremely well.
You are a recruiting Sgt, you have a quota to make, you aren't going to be too fussy about what this fresh meat has in tats so long as they meet uniform regulations and are not visible below the forearms or facial or on the hands.

You will be a whatever you signed up for FIRST and your political outlook is irrelevant by the end of basic training.
After all your new "battle buddy" might just be chosen by your SGt to suit your views. Imagine a KKK supporter ending up with a black gay lad as his BB:D:D

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2021 4:10pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I actually spoke to that lad before and I can honestly say that the article is complete bullsh*t, along with the other 5 or so copy and pastes. He had a group called Na Ridirí or the Knights in English which was a group for young lads to get in shape, do litter clean up, book reviews etc. The controversy about it was the lad in charge wore a t-shirt with a sonnenrad which is a right wing symbol associated with neo-nazis and the like. I don't think he was that way enclined but I'm not sure, I only spoke to him about Irish gun laws. He made a post on gun rights so I just offered a little information. The lad isn't even in the army:D that does to show how little these "journalists" know.

He's got a nice Libel case there then if he can disprove and justify his situation.

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2021 4:26pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Right I remember that now, wasn't there always the suspicion that there was another member who was never uncovered.. not too hard to believe when you consider how long they managed to operate without the authorities having a clue

Yeah,long suspected that it was their BND handler or the other German intell agency The BVS? The two have an interservice rivalry that makes MI5/MI6 look like a polite chat over tea. So it has happened that both have stamped on each others toes in covt operations,with plenty of laughs and gaffs aplenty.

A good docu drama on this is 2016 The NSU complex on Netflix for those who want a good story.

Yeah exactly them. It's fascinating to read about it all. When I lived in Austria I had a rough idea of the situation there, but there it's got a very different character I think, far-right politics is a lot more normalised so you hear quite often things like "local village councillor resigns after being photographed with a swastika", the monthly 'Einzelfall', but it's not a big deal. Now perhaps Austria also has the cell networks too as they definitely did in the 80s but in Germany, it seems much more underground and extreme and feels a bit more dangerous because of that.

The Austrians are alot more anal about this than Germans. After all,it was one of theirs that started this whole thing :pac::D. They have the world convinced that Hitler was German, and Beethoven was Austrian. It is seriously a more Eastside problem in Germany than the Western side. T
They never had the guilt complex indoctrinated into them about Nazism under Communist rule. After all, the Socialists were persecuted and executed just as much by the Nazis as the Jews, and your parents are good Socialists,so why should you feel guilty about what the Nazis did to them?

alan0387 · 28-02-2021 6:28pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I could easily shoot up to 500 rounds of .22 at the range on a Saturday (pre-lockdown). Shoot 100 or 200 in the rifle, some more in the pistol, go in for a cup of tea and talk sh1te and then back out for another couple of hundred rounds. Doesn't be long going.

I got out 6 times between October and December in 1 or 2 hour slots (covid timetables

) and did minimum 200 rounds per session on the cz. And that was with 2 5-round mags

I'd say I'd easily burn through my allocated ammo license allowance (500 rds) in less than 3hrs.

Always brought my travel mug so I had hot coffee while reloading mags

JP22 · 28-02-2021 10:46pm

alan0387 wrote: »

............
Always brought my travel mug so I had hot coffee while reloading mags

No food or drink allowed on firing line, especially when handling lead. :pac::pac::D:D

tudderone · 28-02-2021 11:29pm

JP22 wrote: »

No food or drink allowed on firing line, especially when handling lead. :pac::pac::D:D

Reminds me of the guy in the black tee-shirt from the "Trailer park boys", who was never seen without a glass in his mitt

Cass · 02-03-2021 8:59pm

Seen this posted across multiple sites and social media. It relates to the 600 rifles stolen a week ago in the UK.

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tudderone · 03-03-2021 9:05pm

330,000 rounds of Eley .22lr ammo seized in a raid on a flat in Leeds, six arrested. Seems to have been a lot of raids on suspected illegal firearms dealers across the Uk last night.

BattleCorp · 03-03-2021 9:09pm

tudderone wrote: »

330,000 rounds of Eley .22lr ammo seized in a raid on a flat in Leeds, six arrested. Seems to have been a lot of raids on suspected illegal firearms dealers across the Uk last night.

We may cancel the group buy lads. Sorry about that. Unforseen circumstances.

Grizzly 45 · 03-03-2021 10:30pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

We may cancel the group buy lads. Sorry about that. Unforseen circumstances.

And for making a joke like that I got a 30 day holiday off Zukerberg book.:rolleyes:

tudderone · 03-03-2021 10:44pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And for making a joke like that I got a 30 day holiday off Zukerberg book.:rolleyes:

I could never understand the attraction of that thing, i've managed for years to do without suckerberk and his silly invention. Ditto mobile phones, had one for a while and they are a bloody nuisance of a thing. Got rid and don't miss it at all.

Grizzly 45 · 03-03-2021 11:02pm

Only reason I'm on it is because of FUN and ORC,and a good few pro-gun groups both national and international. Otherwise, it's a freakin ZOO.
And don't start me on Twitter...Very little I like about Ricky Gervais, but I agree with him describing Twitter,as" Trying to read real news from the scribblings off the stall in a public toilet." Fakebook isnt far behind it either.

GooseB · 04-03-2021 12:17am

tudderone · 08-03-2021 4:20pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGk98BH8kPc

signostic · 08-03-2021 4:27pm

Cass wrote: »

Seen this posted across multiple sites and social media. It relates to the 600 rifles stolen a week ago in the UK.

They could have given a shorter crime ref number to quote

Grizzly 45 · 08-03-2021 11:35pm

While we are on the subject of .22 ammo being useful,or not to the criminal underworld. As well as some pro looking zip gun manufacture.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/615260/prison-sentence-for-limerick-shooting-victim-who-had-gun-and-ammo.html

tonysopprano · 08-03-2021 11:56pm

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Possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life: minimum of 10 years imprisonment
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Use of a firearm to assist or aid escape: minimum of 10 years imprisonment
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