300,000 rounds stolen

tudderone · 24-02-2021 7:36pm #1

300,000 rounds of .22 ammo nicked from a lorry at the Eley factory in the west Midlands in the UK. The Driver was having a snooze in the truck :eek:.

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2169467420431/organised-criminals-steal-300000-rounds-of-live-ammunition-from-lorry-while-driver-was-asleep

garrettod · 24-02-2021 8:06pm

I'm amazed that there wasn't better security, tbh.

It's incredible that they don't have tighter security, if not even a police escort.

tudderone · 24-02-2021 8:18pm

600 Webley Nemesis Air rifles swiped in leicester 4 days ago. Again from a lorry.

garrettod · 24-02-2021 8:20pm

Defies belief, really....

Wadi14 · 24-02-2021 9:20pm

For sale Eley ammo €1 per box , buyer must have firearms certificate lol

Grizzly 45 · 24-02-2021 9:49pm

They'll sell them in the USA for 40 dollars a box!:eek::D

BattleCorp · 24-02-2021 11:58pm

That'd be a good workout handballing them fcukers. A box of 5,000 rounds is small but it's heavy so lugging 60 boxes of them would be an effort. They'd probably fit in the boot of a normal size car.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-02-2021 12:01am

Driver fell asleep, he was feeling completely shot.

Feisar · 25-02-2021 12:05am

Caught swinging the lead

josip · 25-02-2021 12:08am

Should get the bullet

Munsterlad102 · 25-02-2021 12:17am

Reminds me of when the IRA nicked all the FCA ammo. I think it was somewhere in the region of 300,000 too.

Feisar · 25-02-2021 12:36am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Reminds me of when the IRA nicked all the FCA ammo. I think it was somewhere in the region of 300,000 too.

Or the NI bank notes, what are they going to do with 300k of 22.

tudderone · 25-02-2021 12:42am

Feisar wrote: »

Or the NI bank notes, what are they going to do with 300k of 22.

Depends what you are shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKOYu1Sr-4

Munsterlad102 · 25-02-2021 12:43am

Feisar wrote: »

Or the NI bank notes, what are they going to do with 300k of 22.

Good question, I can't imagine many criminals with 22s when they could get 9mms.

Cass · 25-02-2021 2:37am

Feisar wrote: »

, what are they going to do with 300k of 22.

Grizzly 45 · 25-02-2021 4:27pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Good question, I can't imagine many criminals with 22s when they could get 9mms.

Bet there are still a few chopped .22 rifles or old handguns in .22 in the criminal pool out there.
OR
Single-shot Zip guns ala the improvised munitions handbook in .22 will do your drug dealing oppo in just as well. Knock them out for 200 quid each...
OR
Convert those nicked 600 air rifles to .22, single shots? Criminals are very ingenious types, and not fussy about what they have that goes Pew!.

tudderone · 25-02-2021 4:29pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Bet there are still a few chopped .22 rifles or old handguns in .22 in the criminal pool out there.
OR
Single-shot Zip guns ala the improvised munitions handbook in .22 will do your drug dealing oppo in just as well. Knock them out for 200 quid each...
OR
Convert those nicked 600 air rifles to .22, single shots? Criminals are very ingenious types, and not fussy about what they have that goes Pew!.

https://news.sky.com/story/gang-built-gun-factory-to-supply-criminal-underworld-with-untraceable-weapons-11714996

Munsterlad102 · 25-02-2021 6:06pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Bet there are still a few chopped .22 rifles or old handguns in .22 in the criminal pool out there.
OR
Single-shot Zip guns ala the improvised munitions handbook in .22 will do your drug dealing oppo in just as well. Knock them out for 200 quid each...
OR
Convert those nicked 600 air rifles to .22, single shots? Criminals are very ingenious types, and not fussy about what they have that goes Pew!.

Of course, but there is no way they're going to be able to sell 300,000 rounds.

BattleCorp · 25-02-2021 6:11pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Of course, but there is no way they're going to be able to sell 300,000 rounds.

Any of you guys interested in a group buy scheme?*

:D:D

Just messing in case any oversensitive d1ckheads are watching.

tudderone · 25-02-2021 6:17pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They'll sell them in the USA for 40 dollars a box!:eek::D

I seen earlier on an American forum, 10 boxes of .410 shotgun ammo, nothing special just common or garden variety birdshot .410 rounds, $320+20 postage ! :eek:

25-02-2021 6:41pm

tudderone wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/gang-built-gun-factory-to-supply-criminal-underworld-with-untraceable-weapons-11714996

You have to admire their ingenuity, or someone's, you'd wonder how anyone found out about that.

As for the 300k rounds of .22, maybe they hit the truck near its departure location, but is it possible they didnt know what was in it? because how are they going to shift 300k rounds of ammunition and not get noticed, whats the volume?

when you think about it, I havent measured a box, but it'd be fairly compact?
300k/500 is 600 bricks, maybe 5 x 14 bricks in a layer is a metre squared, 70 bricks, 8.5 layers is close to 300k (obviously no half layers), that doesnt even seem like what might be considered a full pallet, Im going off the top of my head of a 50rnd box at 70mm L x 40mm W x 30mm high, does that seem right?

or someone isnt happy about the price of .22 and decided to get a bulk delivery :rolleyes:

BattleCorp · 25-02-2021 6:50pm

1874 wrote: »

Im going off the top of my head of a 50rnd box at 70mm L x 40mm W x 30mm high, does that seem right?

A 5000 round case of CCI is 380mm x 170mm x 160mm. Not that feckin big.

25-02-2021 7:10pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

A 5000 round case of CCI is 380mm x 170mm x 160mm. Not that feckin big.

I may have overestimated a box/brick size, I made a rough guesstimate and did it literally on the back of an envelope, but a quick calculation says 1.2m x 1m by about 550mm high for your dimensions

which is similar to my 1m x 1m x 680mm high, now the weight, thats a bit different, might it have been on 2 pallets? I dont know how it arrives,
and the cost at an approx easy to use €10/box, thats €60k, sounds cheap and a lot less volume than I initally thought when I heard 300k rnds.
Return on disposing 60k real worth and the likelyhood of getting caught once its found in circulation and getting traced back to the point of origin? and the penalty for it, I wonder is someone going to ditch it in a quarry

garrettod · 25-02-2021 8:13pm

My bet is that. 22 rounds will end up being sold on Moore Street, along with dodgy cigarettes and fireworks, at Halloween time.

riffmongous · 25-02-2021 9:42pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Reminds me of when the IRA nicked all the FCA ammo. I think it was somewhere in the region of 300,000 too.

There's a story in the German news today about how their army seems to be having a bit of a neo-nazi issue and as part of this it was noticed that ammo and weapons were going missing, generally a few assault rifles a year and around 100,000 rounds over the last 10 years. The special forces unit seem to be particularly affected and they were offered recently a secret general anonymous amnesty on missing ammo: turns out they recovered a few ten thousand more bullets than they had listed as missing, as well as a few grenades

Grizzly 45 · 25-02-2021 10:13pm

That's OLD Ursula Van Der Leyen news... When she was minister for defence and left the Bundeswehr in worse condition than the Wehrmacht when it surrendered in May 1945:eek:
Strangely it happened to be military police officers...
Yeah...It is easy to blame "neo-Nazis" in the Bundeswehr" for all this sort of shenanigans esp when it comes out that it actually was bad administration and bookkeeping and stuff being lost in Afghanistan or ammo being lost out by recruits on manoeuvres.
Of course, the dead giveaway of Neo-Nazis are soldiers singing old trad German marching songs like "Erica" ,"black and brown are the Hazelnuts" or"Lilly Marlene":rolleyes::rolleyes: IOW the entire German army, as you all get to sing them thru every town, village and hamlet on route marches...But Van der Lier was looking at having those banned as they were "rightwing with Nazi connotations!"
I'm sure like in ANY army you are going to have some Right and Left extremists there for the weapons training. That's a known fact, but to suggest there is a whole division of off duty brown shirted Seig Heiling lads down the pub cleaning out armouries and ammo depots is media hype.

riffmongous · 25-02-2021 11:27pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

That's OLD Ursula Van Der Leyen news... When she was minister for defence and left the Bundeswehr in worse condition than the Wehrmacht when it surrendered in May 1945:eek:
Strangely it happened to be military police officers...
Yeah...It is easy to blame "neo-Nazis" in the Bundeswehr" for all this sort of shenanigans esp when it comes out that it actually was bad administration and bookkeeping and stuff being lost in Afghanistan or ammo being lost out by recruits on manoeuvres.
Of course, the dead giveaway of Neo-Nazis are soldiers singing old trad German marching songs like "Erica" ,"black and brown are the Hazelnuts" or"Lilly Marlene":rolleyes::rolleyes: IOW the entire German army, as you all get to sing them thru every town, village and hamlet on route marches...But Van der Lier was looking at having those banned as they were "rightwing with Nazi connotations!"
I'm sure like in ANY army you are going to have some Right and Left extremists there for the weapons training. That's a known fact, but to suggest there is a whole division of off duty brown shirted Seig Heiling lads down the pub cleaning out armouries and ammo depots is media hype.

Agreed that a few extremists in an army is to be expected Grizzly, but here we're talking a few (20 under investigation) out of a 1000 man elite unit, which is a bit much

Munsterlad102 · 26-02-2021 12:51am

riffmongous wrote: »

Agreed that a few extremists in an army is to be expected Grizzly, but here we're talking a few (20 under investigation) out of a 1000 man elite unit, which is a bit much

Let's be fair here now, historically people in the military, by and large, were right wing and 2% of a population is nothing. Factoring in margin of error, this could drop to the national average.

riffmongous · 26-02-2021 9:24am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Let's be fair here now, historically people in the military, by and large, were right wing and 2% of a population is nothing. Factoring in margin of error, this could drop to the national average.

I don't think you need to be fair when you talk about an elite you though, that's the whole point of them

Grizzly 45 · 26-02-2021 11:43pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Agreed that a few extremists in an army is to be expected Grizzly, but here we're talking a few (20 under investigation) out of a 1000 man elite unit, which is a bit much

Do you mean this lad that was found in May last year in Saschen Anhalt who was a KSK trooper?
It's never been made public yet as to exactly what he had apart from the usual sweeping media terms..."A machinegun" tells us nothing much... or that he had "large amounts of rifle and pistol ammo."He could have smuggled all that in from a tour of duty in Afghanistan or the Balkans. It doesn't mean it all walked out of the barracks armoury! Be a major scandal if it did!

While an alarming find, it's one particular man and the trouble with German media saying "extreme right-wing" it almost instantly equals Neo-Nazi in everyone's perception over there. You'll get to see this as you will be over there for a spell in the German perception.
Could be this unit lost good friends and comrades in Afghanistan, and are bitter against Afghani Taliban or something of the like..that in today's PC world classifies you as a right-wing extremist.

Someone got pissed one night and sang the Horst Wessel leid up in the barracks with his boozed-up mates? Neo-Nazis in the Heer!
There is a lot more to this story,and the backstory and context of this is important too
I'm not trying to excuse or justify it BTW, but this is almost a regular occurrence in the Bundeswehr that they are finding neo-Nazis hiding under every cot, or right-wing extremists in every locker. and have been doing so since the Bundeswehr was founded. And in this case, it's juicy , because it's the KSK[ Germanys SAS] that's involved.

meathstevie · 27-02-2021 9:10am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Do you mean this lad that was found in May last year in Saschen Anhalt who was a KSK trooper?
It's never been made public yet as to exactly what he had apart from the usual sweeping media terms..."A machinegun" tells us nothing much... or that he had "large amounts of rifle and pistol ammo."He could have smuggled all that in from a tour of duty in Afghanistan or the Balkans. It doesn't mean it all walked out of the barracks armoury! Be a major scandal if it did!

While an alarming find, it's one particular man and the trouble with German media saying "extreme right-wing" it almost instantly equals Neo-Nazi in everyone's perception over there. You'll get to see this as you will be over there for a spell in the German perception.
Could be this unit lost good friends and comrades in Afghanistan, and are bitter against Afghani Taliban or something of the like..that in today's PC world classifies you as a right-wing extremist.

Someone got pissed one night and sang the Horst Wessel leid up in the barracks with his boozed-up mates? Neo-Nazis in the Heer!
There is a lot more to this story,and the backstory and context of this is important too
I'm not trying to excuse or justify it BTW, but this is almost a regular occurrence in the Bundeswehr that they are finding neo-Nazis hiding under every cot, or right-wing extremists in every locker. and have been doing so since the Bundeswehr was founded. And in this case, it's juicy , because it's the KSK[ Germanys SAS] that's involved.

I’m quite sure that if you went scratching the surface a wee bit here and there in Ireland that you’ll find a few people in the Defence Forces and the Dail and possibly the Gardai who privately think Eoin o’Duffy was a great lad.

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